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Michigan ignored? ... get the heck out of town!

by: Eric B.

Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:33:41 AM EST


Remember when we were told that Michigan needed to move its primary up so that the nation would hear more about the state's economic problems?

"I've been surprised," said David Dulio, a politics professor at Oakland University. "I thought we would hear more. And what drives that is the power that Iowa and New Hampshire still have."

I'm not saying that it was obvious that this was going to happen, but it was obvious that this was going to happen.  The argument that this was going to focus the nation on Michigan's problems for any longer than a day or two before the primary, or planned to actually do anything about them, was perhaps the silliest reason given for moving the nominating process up.

One reason for this is something we all understand ... campaigns and elections aren't covered as meaningful explorations of issues, they're covered as horseraces.  At this point, the media cares not a whit for issues, except how they might affect polls, and is really just interested in which horse is out front and by how many lengths.

The other reason is that Michigan's primary is going to be covered according to the process by which it landed where it did.  People will hear about how the delegations have been cut because the state parties broke rules (and, if the delegations are restored, the news will be delivered late, late in the process when no one is paying attention any longer and certainly not in the prominent way by which punishment was handed down -- the photos of Debbie Dingell with her hang-dog look will not be replaced), and if they hear about our auto manufacturing-driven slump, it'll be a side issue.  How Michigan will affect the Republican field by driving supporters to Ron Paul is likely to get more press than will trade policies that encouraged what was already a flow of manufacturing jobs out of the country.

Eric B. :: Michigan ignored? ... get the heck out of town!
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Michigan Not Being Ignored (4.00 / 2)
I agree with you Eric when you say campaigns and elections aren't covered as meaninful explorations of issues, they're covered as horseraces.  The only real attention issues get is during the debates -the next one is this Saturday by the way.

But some people suggest that Michigan is being ignored because it moved it's primary up into January.  That certainly hasn't been the case.  Up until today, Iowa has been getting almost all the attention with New Hampshire getting most of the rest.  South Carolina, Nevada, Florida and Michigan has been virtually ignored.

This is particularly true with the Michigan Democratic Primary because two of the leading candidates tooks the steps to remove themselves from the Michigan primary ballot according to their interpretation of a pledge they voluntarily signed to not campaign in Michigan and Florida.  The Republican candidates took no such pledged and from reading the blog today, we see that Michigan voters are receiving campaign literature from Republican candidates.  The Republican TV ads have been running here for the past two weeks and most of the Republican candidates are about to gather here at an event another diary on this blog calls on us to protest.  The national media is talking about how Michigan could be the make or break state for Romney and McCain and the conservative blogosphere is seeing a record number of posts about the Michigan primary and the impact Ron Paul will have.

If Michigan is being ignored, it's the fault of half of the Democratic candidates who took a pledge to ignore Michigan and then used it as an excuse to not run here.

How much more attention would Michigan be getting if we held a primary on February 5 or a caucus on February 9.  We will never know, but from looking at the other February 5 states, including several which are larger than Michigan, it appears we would be getting less attention than with the early primary, not more.


I have to disagree with you (4.00 / 5)
four years ago, every Democratic party candidate had a good ground game here in MI well before New Year's Day. Because of the sanctions imposed by the DNC - santctions we KNEW were going to be dealt out - there is no GOTV effort.

Four years ago, many of us here, I'm sure, spent months or weeks volunteering for our favorite candidate well before the New Year's Day. We were a factor in Iowa - mobilizing phonebanks to help influence the Iowa vote. We had organized campaigns.

It's not the candidates fault for pulling out. Because of the way the system is set up, they really had to follow the DNCs rules and abandon our state until after Iowa and New Hampshire. Otherwise, they'd suffer in those states.

The DNC had to enforce the rules, or else we'd have states leap-frogging over each other until we ended up with September primaries. The election has to be controlled nationally, otherwise it's going to become more expensive and lock out candidates without the deepest of pockets.

Michigan was getting a lot of buzz in mid January and early Feburary four years ago. Now, we're not even mentioned because frankly, we are not a player.

Michigan would have been smart to back off from their threats, move the primary back to early February, and put their energy into trying to get rotating regional primaries NEXT election season.

The Michigan Democratic Party wasted tons of money - both nationally and locally - on this boondoggle. It was incredibly stupid for them to do this in a year when we will have a competitive race for the White House. Work on making change at a different time - not when we need the money the most.


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The Republican Example (4.00 / 3)
All one needs to do is look at the quickly increasing attention being given to the Republican primary in Michigan to see how Michigan didn't make a mistake.  Michigan Republicans, faced with the same sanction threats from the national Republican Party, chose to thumb their noses at their national party as well.  And it worked for them.  The difference is that all their candidates remainded on the Michigan ballot while half the Democratic candidates chose to disenfranchise their voters.  This national primary problem isn't new.  It was discussed four years ago with no satisfactory resolution.  I agree we need to have some system of rotating regional primaries, but we didn't get them for 2008.  Instead we got more of the same preferred state status for Iowa and New Hampshire plus the addition of two other states that are being virtually ignored this year.  No one has yet explained how Michigan and Florida going along with the DNC's 2008 system would create an equitable system in 2012.  Has the DNC made any commitment to ending New Hampshire's and Iowa's preferred status in 2012?  Has it made any commitment to creating some sort of regional rotating primary?  Obviously, the answer is "no".  Saying we should play by the rules and hope things are fairer in 2012 defies logic.  Screw that! I'm more than ready to push for real change and its more than obvious which candidates actually support real change in the system and which just want to talk about change for political appeal.

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Okay... (4.00 / 2)
I'm more than ready to push for real change and its more than obvious which candidates actually support real change in the system and which just want to talk about change for political appeal.

Just do it with money other than what you find in the state's general fund.

Among the Trees

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Right on Principle (4.00 / 2)
I agree with you on principle Eric that the party selection of candidate's should be done with party money, but that should also mean that the August primaries are also paid for by the parties and not taxpayers.  But this is a sub-issue to the actual date of the election.  I would have been happy with a January caucus as well.

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August primaries... (4.00 / 1)
Municipalities have non-partisan primary elections in August that whittle the field from, say, six candidates to four.  Also, this isn't a regularly scheduled election, but a one-time thing.

Among the Trees

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So what you're saying... (0.00 / 0)
If I'm reading you right, you believe it's okay for taxpayers to fund party elections but only if they take  place on regular election dates and provided there are other issues on the ballot as well?  Wasn't your special friend, Michelle, trying very hard to get a term limits extension on the January 15 ballot?  It sounds like you and she are up to something dark and devious.

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Indeed, and I did complain about that... (4.00 / 1)
They not only wanted to put term limits on the January primary ballot, but Mike Bishop said he wanted a vote on a different tax then, too.  And, yup, I whined and complained about that, too.

But, yes, you read me correctly.  The state's taxpayers should not be asked to foot the bill for a special election that is, in fact, part of a private nominating process, which is what this is.

Among the Trees


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MI taxpayers also shouldn't (4.00 / 3)
have to foot the bill for a voter data base that will not be held in the public domain.

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a useless data base. (4.00 / 2)


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Some municipalities and counties have even year August primaries. Some don't. (4.00 / 2)
But, even year August primary elections always have precinct delegates on the ballot.  And those are partisan.

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... (4.00 / 2)
Anyway, you can't compare a county commission primary with a presidential primary.  One is a federal selection process for a private organization that has fought government intrusion into said selection process before in court, and the second is necessary to the proper functioning of local government and is an established election date.

Among the Trees

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The state and national parties are out very little, if any $$$$. The state picks up the tab. (4.00 / 1)
We will all be working together for our Democratic nominee.  And we will be proud to know that the presidential primary/caucus system changes ... thanks in no small part to Michigan.

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I agree (4.00 / 2)
MDP is responsible for this blunder.

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Um... (4.00 / 2)
David Dulio, a politics professor at Oakland University

Who?!


Hey, they quoted the guy... (4.00 / 2)
...he must know what he's talking about.

Among the Trees

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He Worked for J.C. Watts... (4.00 / 3)
before getting a Phd in Poli Sci at American University, according to his bio.

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The point is (0.00 / 0)
that he is not someone known as a political scientist...like Larry Sabato.

The media has this habit of quoting some schmoe from the local uni as if it means something.

Even worse, he sounds more like a pundit/political operative than he does a scientist who studies American politics.


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