Dingell says the Primary was worth it

She's so full of it. (4.00 / 4)

I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians. Charles De Gaulle (1890 - 1970)

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by: LisainManistee @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:11:47 AM UTC

Smile (4.00 / 4)

I'm amazed at your restraint Lisa. I'm sure you wanted to say a teeny weeny bit more than that :-)

Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.

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by: yvette248 @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:15:37 AM UTC

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But seriously (4.00 / 1)

If Michigan gets to go in the top 4 next election cycle (or at least the top 10), do you think this temporary pain was worth all of the anger and frustration that it cost?  I want to say yes because clearly having political "elites" in Iowa & NH is anti everything a democracy is supposed to stand for.

I just can't imagine for the life of me why the DNC took it (the penalties) to this level. It's absolutely ridiculous -- and uncalled for.

Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.

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by: yvette248 @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 14:53:22 PM UTC

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Don't care where MIchigan is in the cycle (4.00 / 2)

as much as I care about just seeing a new process in place.

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization.

 - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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by: michmark @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 16:28:36 PM UTC

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I thought we were in this (4.00 / 1)

for a coin flip?

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by: philgoblue @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 18:33:17 PM UTC

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Yvette, the article talks about the Republican focus (4.00 / 2)

How does that make the Dem primary worth it?

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by: greee @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 15:14:20 PM UTC

Wow, I'm impressed (4.00 / 2)

A real question with no snarks (yet). Greee, what is happening to you???

I agree somewhat with your stance. The tone of the article almost made it seem like all of the politicians were in the pocket of the automotive companies as in: "Who cares if we get screwed or not, at least our automotive sector will finally get some help."

However, another part of the article was that the candidates (albeit republican) were forced to take Michigan issues seriously -- which was the whole purpose of moving the election up in the first place. Having a primary in March does not accomplish this objective.


Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.

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by: yvette248 @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 16:21:17 PM UTC

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When Romney spoke about the auto industry woes (4.00 / 4)

he promised (if I recall correctly) something like a 20 billion dollar commitment.  The obvious ouch to that, from the Dem side, is that it both sounds good and stands alone as a policy proposal.  So, if and when people think about what will the candidates do for Michigan, the only thing they have to reflect on for the next several months is Romney's proposal.  That can't be good for us.

BTW, I actually have some moments in life where I am a fairly reasonable guy.  However, I viewed this primary fiasco as an obscenity, literally, and I had made a conscious decision to be obscene back (sort of like fighting fire with fire).  I do not expect anyone here to be sympatico with my decision, I fully realize that it can be viewed as immature, and I know I pissed off alot of people.  So be it.  I was well aware that I had crossed a line on many occasions, but I did so on purpose.

I have received many phone calls from complete strangers expressing outrage over the primary, and outrage that there was not more outrage (if that makes sense). Obviously, I shared that feeling as I did hand to hand combat with a take no prisoners approach at this site over the issue.  This is not my typical approach, but this was no mere policy disagreement; Jack Lessenberry used the word "disenfranchised" today in an interview, that was exactly my view of the situation, and I don't take kindly to any attempt at diminishing my (or anyone else's) civil liberties.

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by: greee @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 16:38:01 PM UTC

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Viva greee! (4.00 / 1)

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by: philgoblue @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 18:34:52 PM UTC

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You must still be under the influence from last night (4.00 / 1)

I know 6:00 a.m. came early for me.

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by: greee @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 18:36:34 PM UTC

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Very interesting (0.00 / 0)

Hmmmmmmm..... Last week, I was quoted in the Detroit News asking the same question about where was the outrage and mentioning how Michigan voters were being disenfranchised by not being allowed to vote for the candidate of their choice.

See, we have more in common than we thought :-)

Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.

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by: yvette248 @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 19:46:58 PM UTC

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