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MI Presents Its Challenge to the RBC

by: emptywheel

Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:54:24 PM EDT


I have to admit, I thought Mark Brewer was going to have a tough job today. Whereas the FL delegation came in united in their belief that the primary should be used to select delegates (though they disagreed on the strength at which it would be seated). MI proposed something that--as one RBC member just called it--might seem willy nilly, completely arbitrary.

Mark just got asked whether he's relying on the rule that requires that the delegation be based on a "fair reflection" of the voters partiicpating in the presidential selection. He said no. He said there is no primary or caucus to measure the fair reflection of the voters. 

Brewer--in all his glory as a numbers geek--did a very good job of presenting the 69-59 compromise seem very logical and fact-based. 

He still has a hard challenge in front of him--the RBC members are obviously uncomfortable with the idea of awarding delegates without a vote on which to base them. But to his credit, he very quickly got to the point where RBC members are discussing how to figure out how to measure the voters.

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DHinMI is sitting with me. He just said (after Mark Brewer pointed out that the DNC has used exit polls to set affirmative action goals), "Brewer just kicked ass."

Brewer was outstnding, but (4.00 / 2)
he's going to have a whole lot of trouble with the likes of Ickes, Flournoy, Fowler, and anyone else who is going to rightfully stand on the rules as contained in the Charter, the delegate selection plan, and the Call to Convention.  And I say this in particular regard to the status of the ballot line "Uncommitted."  That ballot line has to, for most intents and purposes, at least as I've been able to divine thus far, be treated no differently than the committee would any other candidate, even though the net effect is that a vote for Uncommitted may well turn out, based upon candidate apporoval, to be a vote for Clinton.  

I do not believe that to be the intent of the rule, but its plain meaning may dictate that effect.


[ Parent ]
Wha..??? Fowler? (0.00 / 0)
Donnie Fowler?  The one and only who Mark Brewer supported for DNC chair over HOWARD DEAN???  Oh wouldn't that be something!

Julie

To prepare for when your life flashes before your eyes, make sure it's fun to watch.


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Fowler was convinced (4.00 / 3)
and was one of the Clinton supporters who voted in favor of the Michigan Democratic Party Plan put forward by Brewer, unlike Harold "let's start a Civil War" Ickes. I thought Brewer did an excellent job this weekend and may have saved the election in Michigan for the Dems. Much work to do now. And Brewer voted for Dean as DNC chair, not Fowler.

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization.

 - Ralph Waldo Emerson


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What was up with that? (4.00 / 1)
Ickes last stand or what?  Glad to hear Fowler wasn't out to foul things up afterall.  I've no doubt Brewer did a good job, he usually does.  Though I must say, I was under the distinct impression he supported Fowler over Dean, regardless of how he voted in the end as one doesn't necessarily end up voting for who one supports.

Maybe, if it occurs to me, and I'm interested enough, I'll take a look through the archives of the ages and check that one out.

Julie

To prepare for when your life flashes before your eyes, make sure it's fun to watch.


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Word on the ground was (4.00 / 2)
that Obama actually had the votes for the 50-50 split by two votes, but conceded to the Michigan Party compromise.

That might explain the defection of five of the Clinton delegates on the committee.

Son Fowler is an old time party insider...he was there before the Clintons came to town...I think he's all about what is good for the party...

There are an awful lot of Democrats who have loyalty towards the Clintons due to the tenure of President Clinton, the Republican attacks and the fact that he is the first Democratic president elected to two successive terms since FDR...

I think we saw a changing of the guard this Saturday, and it isn't a pro-Obama movement, but movement towards what Obama recognized and used to win the nomination (much sooner than I thought possible).

Dean 2.0...

The way we organize and campaign is changing. Small donors raising huge amounts of cash offset the need to buddy up to corporations and monied interests, potentially freeing the Democratic party from a cancer that has been eating at its core for almost 30 years now.


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I thought Brewer voted for Fowler, too. Let us know if you can find out about that. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Bill Clinton (4.00 / 1)
Bill Clinton said the delegates should probably be seated and given half a vote.

(And he complains about Obama, too.)


What to do with the elected delegates (4.00 / 3)
A member just asked what would happen to the delegates elected in April.

He said that the party made an accommodation to allow for the 69-59 compromise by ensuring that the delegates picked on April 19 would support Obama.

I'm sure that will come as news to a number of people. But at least that means memiller and others are safe.


Bonior Rules (3.20 / 5)
There never was a real election.

That's the truth.

We need a new MDP Chair.  I've got someone in mind.

Then again, anyone who was capable of holding a presidential election, despite pressures from the governor's office, would be fine by me.

West Michigan Rising: The Progressive Blog for Our (future) Left Coast


Good luck with that. (4.00 / 3)
If you think you have a viable candidate for MDP chair who won't bow to those higher up in the power structure I'd sure as hell like to meet 'em and see 'em do just that.  I would know then that the Pope is not Catholic, pigs fly and the earth is flat.

In other words, there is no such creature.

Julie

To prepare for when your life flashes before your eyes, make sure it's fun to watch.


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And if he did (4.00 / 1)
go against Leven, Dingel and Granholm how long would she/he stay Party Chair?

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization.

 - Ralph Waldo Emerson


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Yes, FULL Votes ... not half !!!!!!!!!! (0.00 / 0)
Obama and Clinton commited to Brewer that their members on the Convention RBC will vote to seat MI and FL with full votes.  

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(((((WHEW))))!!!! (4.00 / 2)
All right - NOW we can put this behind us, and say finis to the Michigan primary issue. The chances that Ickes will carry through with the threat to take this to the credentials Committee are practically nil.


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