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Krugman on climate change bill

by: Eric B.

Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 14:44:13 PM EDT


Beating a dead horse?  Certainly not.  Here's Paul Krugman on the climate change bill.

Do you remember the days when Bush administration officials claimed that terrorism posed an “existential threat” to America, a threat in whose face normal rules no longer applied? That was hyperbole — but the existential threat from climate change is all too real.

Yet the deniers are choosing, willfully, to ignore that threat, placing future generations of Americans in grave danger, simply because it’s in their political interest to pretend that there’s nothing to worry about. If that’s not betrayal, I don’t know what is.

Those are the last two paragraphs.  All the ones leading up to it are likewise worth reading. It's a reminder, among other things, why Vern Ehlers' "no" vote was such a disappointment.  Unlike most of his Republican colleagues, Ehlers isn't just some run-of-the-mill denialist.  Based on things he's said, he actually believes this is a serious problem.

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I'm with John Cole... (0.00 / 0)
We need a new Godwin rule for people who use the term traitor...

Krugman does us no service by playing wingnut games by accusing people of being "traitors to planet Earth."


Mild disagreement on this (0.00 / 0)
I don't want to get onto my global warming soapbox here, but all of the emerging data points to an even more grim outcome than basically everyone had assumed previously.  The ice caps are melting faster, species are on the move in more dramatic ways, and weather patterns are becoming more erratic.  Plus, there's a growing body of paleoclimate research that suggests that rapid climate change has been responsible for mass extinctions throughout the history of life on Earth than previously thought.

Yet, the entire con- side to this has been the adopting as a political position what in fact is a position on the science itself.  And, that is a position based on profound ignorance rather than true skepticism.  Very few of the people who profess skepticism on this cannot explain what the carbon cycle is, and while that might be an arcane term for most people off the street it's fundamental science to the issue of climate change.

These people continue to do the rest of us a profound disservice by constantly raising points addressed regularly over the years, because it confuses people already prone to being confused about science and how it works.  Given easy access via the Internet to a vast storehouse of information explaining this issue (it may be the most publicly documented issue of science in all of human history), they instead choose to pretend that they can learn all there is needed to be known by reading columns on Townhall and other repositories of rank idiocy.  It not only is an abdication of the responsibility to become informed before spouting off, but it also places future generations in a good deal more jeopardy by putting off action until it is either too late or incredibly painful. Calling these people traitors may be very strong language, but it is not entirely uncalled for.

Among the Trees


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You did a very effective job (0.00 / 0)
without using the word...so can Krugman.

Something tells me he did so to evoke a high level of attention, which suggests that the use wasn't considered as anything other than sensationalism.

Given that the other side used the term to try and silence our voices, I think we can do better than them.


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I have no limits to my word count, he does (0.00 / 0)
I guess my point is that we've reached a point where sometimes strong language needs to be used.

Imagine being in a rowboat headed down the Zambezi River and towards Victoria Falls.  The coxswain is in the back, twiddling his thumbs and looking all around him.  Meanwhile, you're up front, first suggesting, "Hey, maybe we should put ashore. There is apparently a rather steep drop somewhere up ahead of us."  The coxswain says, "Naaaaaah, I don't see anything."  Meanwhile, all signs are pointing to the fact that you're coming up to a very big fall -- sounds, the current is picking up, there's the slight whiff of rapids-related mist in the air -- and you say somewhat more urgently, "We should really put ashore so that we can locate the falls."  Meanwhile, the coxswain says, "I am not at all convinced that such falls exist," and looks at the birds on the river bank.  Meanwhile, somewhere up in the distance, you can see the river turning into ribbons of white as the current folds its way around rocks in the middle of the channel and falls.  You say, "The falls are right there. We need to put ashore right now, or we're going to die."  And, the coxswain waves his hand towards the bank and says, "I have no idea what you're talking about. If there were falls up ahead, would that monkey be up in that tree?"  Your next step, because you can now actually see the falls up ahead, is to be short, blunt, and as excitable as possible to get the coxswain's attention.  I would personally lean towards, "Get us to shore, right this fucking second." The coxswain, his attention now grabbed, now has two options -- either the coxswain can stop being a dick and put ashore so both of you aren't killed, or he can tut-tut and suggest that you calm down, stop swearing, and make your case in a more adult fashion ... which then segues nicely into a long drop for the both of you.

We're currently somewhere between the third and fourth segments, moving quickly away from the one and into the other.  Four or five years ago, before the world's collected climate data was gathered and studied so extensively and made so public, and before basically every major scientific body had examined it and all of them individually came to the same conclusion, I'd have probably agreed that very heated dialogue was out of line for someone of Krugman's stature.  Today, the data is more clear and the skeptic's argument is less coherent.  Yet, a substantial number of people just simply don't understand that.

Among the Trees


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The National Journal (0.00 / 0)
slices the climate change vote several different ways - worth a read.

http://www.nationaljournal.com...


Annoying... (0.00 / 0)
For once, I wish we could have a legislative vote determined based on what's in the nation's best interests rather than political calculus.

Among the Trees

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