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Gongwer: Gaffney throws gauntlet down against Dillon

by: Eric B.

Fri Sep 04, 2009 at 22:35:22 PM EDT


Snippets and snippets:

House Speaker Andy Dillon may meet with, and in fact head, the House Democratic Caucus, but he is not a Democrat if he follows through with his plans on public employee health care, Michigan AFL-CIO President Mark Gaffney said at a press event Friday.

A true Democrat would work to increase levels to health care coverage for workers in the state, not to cut those benefits, Mr. Gaffney said at the union's annual Labor Day press conference.

"Part of being a Democrat to me means taking care of all people's health insurance and health care needs," he said.   "It is not adhering to the principles of the Democratic Party to be trying to cut benefits and eliminate collective bargaining rights."

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Whatever his motivation, Mr. Gaffney said moving ahead with the plan could mean loss of union support not only for Mr. Dillon should he announce for governor, but also for any legislators who support him.

Mr. Gaffney said Mr. Dillon should shift his focus away from the state health plan.   "He should take the attention he and his consultants have managed to raise and apply it to reforming health care for all workers, not look at one segment to cut," he said.   "Unless you address the 8 percent increase in everyone's health care every year you're not solving the problem."

And he urged the state to wait on any changes until a federal plan is in place.   "Wait until Washington is done and then see how we fit into it," he said.

He actually has a legitimate point in the second paragraph of the second snippet.  As long as government attacks health care costs piecemeal, it will always be more advantageous to approach it by making things worse of regular people.

On the other hand, I can see dark foreboding in this article.  If Dillon runs, look for the 2006 presidential primary to play itself out again, except in a state where various Democratic factions are fighting for survival and continued relevance. If that happens, don't tell me you weren't warned that it might so again so thoroughly disgust me off that I cross party lines and endorse Rick Snyder.

Eric B. :: Gongwer: Gaffney throws gauntlet down against Dillon
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I'm eager to learn more about Rick Snyder. (0.00 / 0)
I was a ticket splitter for years. Then Bush came, and I went back to a D. ticket except for Brooks.  After 9 months of Obama and this boondoggle by Dillon, I won't be doing that again.



I'm sorry but... (0.00 / 0)
...the municipal/state unions need to understand that you can't get blood from a stone (you probably back that asshole John "Most Damaging Person to Detroit now that Monica Conyers is headed to the Pokey" Riehl's efforts as head of AFSCME to finally push Detroit into complete insolvency so they can get viagra on their health plan).  And Rick Snyder isn't going to be any more sympathetic.

And, newsflash Gaffney, but the federal plan is all but dead.  We in Michigan can't just sit on our hands and wait for aid from Washington.  We need to help ourselves, and help ourselves now.


Then do it smart (0.00 / 0)
not politically and half assed...as Dillon has done.

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That I will agree on... (0.00 / 0)
...but when the only reply to Dillon is to wait on a helping hand from the Federal Government?  There is a deeper problem with those opposed than with those doing it.

And as Tom Watkins (who Granholm fired for daring to have an opinion) said: "Unless we get the cost of insurance in line, you might as well rename the state department of Education to the State Department of Healthcare and Pensions".

And I will give Dillon political opportunist points:  He chose a time to introduce this when public patients with government employee unions is at an all time low, so he's likelier to get what he wants.


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What is that exactly? (0.00 / 0)
The party nomination is locked up (thanks to the party establishment and Cherry starting to raise cash before the 2008 election).

If this is to be governor, he misfired as to the timing.

I think Dillon (as is representative of the party leadership) really don't know what the hell they are doing...

Most were reared (politically) through the Republican tramas of the 90s and aughts...all they know how to do to get ahead is attack their left, as if it will make Republicans vote for them or be nice to them (they won't do either...you see how batshit insane you have to be to get rank and file Republicans to be happy!).

It is time that Democrats grow a pair, and start producing legislation that is designed to make Republicans take idiotic positions and actually works. Most voters don't remember anything about "how" things became laws, they only know if they work or not...

Dems have lost the plot, and in doing so, are going to hand this state and this nation over to the howling loons that are the Republicans.

I'm with John Cole...we had a good run as a country.


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Depends... (0.00 / 0)
It depends on the timing.  If Dillon can harness the building hatred of public employee unions (based on the Dave Bing v. AFSCME battle going on, which most of the people I know side strongly with Bing) it could overcome CHerry cash and establishment support (stranger things have happened in primaries).

I agree with that provided it actually works.

>>I'm with John Cole...we had a good run as a country.<<

Our fate was sealed as a country when we adopted the free trade ethos.  This causes a drastic decline in incomes, which is catatrophic for a country as soon as median income falls below the "debt floor" (i.e. the amount needed to pay debt and maintain at least a decent living), which was one of the less discussed problems with the credit crisis.  Until we get tough on international trade we'll continue to bleed jobs no matter which party is in charge (because cheap will always beat good, unless cheap isn't allowed to compete, thus explaining the success of Walmart).


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I am beginning to believe we should leave the WTO, NAFTA, etc and start from scratch...

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Andy Dillon / Unions (0.00 / 0)
A few points about Andy Dillon and unions. His mother in law is retired from Farmer Jack (UFCW).He has a brother in law that is currently a member of the Laborers Union (Local 1191). He has a sister in law that is a union steward for local 223. Any plan proposed is just that, a proposal. If every idea or proposal is shot down at the start where does that leave any of us to offer our opinions? At least it is a start. I for one like the fact that he had the courage to put his thoughts out there, knowing that it could politically damage his future ambitions (if he has any). And to that point, what has the Repub side offered?

My problem with the Dillon plan (4.00 / 1)
The problem, as far as I'm concerned, is one of timing.  I've been watching the costs of health care become a growing problem at the local level in our school districts for years. In fact, it's one of the things that have helped push a lot of local districts into tense and argumentative contract negotiations (the source of the problem, actually, is that districts rely on Lansing for funding, and as long as they're required to do so, even consolidating health benefits into one pool isn't going to do much to change that).  I have no problem with an idea based around the fact that we need change in the way public employees receive health insurance.

The place to do that, however, is not in Lansing but in Washington.  The great unspoken truth of the health care debate is that until we unhitch health care benefits from employment, that things will get worse for everyone.  The reason for that is simple ... as the Boomers, our largest generation, move into retirement (and covered by Medicare), you'll have more people supported by private insurance held by fewer people.  This will just quite simply raise costs across the board.  Consolidating health care benefits into one statewide pool is a form of sticking our fingers into the dike.  The problem will get worse and worse and eventually we'll be right back to where we are right now ... health care costs that are onerous to taxpayers to carry.

The problem ultimately requires a solution from Washington that uncouples health insurance from employment.

Among the Trees


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Or at the very least (0.00 / 0)
just pass a law that requires the insurers to place all their insured into a single unit, thereby spreading the cost across a much larger group, and reducing the overall costs for each individual.

Plus outlaw recission and pre-existing conditions.


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