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Where's your courage, Sen. Stabenow?

by: PerfectStormer

Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 18:42:55 PM EDT


Sens. Bob Casey (D-PA) and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) made an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union" with John King this afternoon, and in light of President Obama's speech last night and the march today, the topic of conversation was LGBT rights. I'll skip over Sen. Casey's statements because, quite frankly, they didn't make any sense and he's a terrible public speaker. Senator Stabenow, on the other hand, makes me really sad.

(Transcript and commentary over the fold.)

PerfectStormer :: Where's your courage, Sen. Stabenow?

JOHN KING: Senator Stabenow, would you vote to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act?

SEN. STABENOW: Well, first I think we need to start with making sure that there is domestic partners benefits for everyone involved in relationships. The hate crimes bill, as Sen. Casey just said, is about ready to go to the President's desk. And I also think we shouldn't be losing the great talent of anyone in the military, whether it's because of skin color, or because they're a man or a woman or sexual orientation, so I think the President is putting the priorities in the right place.

JOHN KING: Why is this so hard? If I asked you "Would you vote for a public option in health care?" you would say "Yes." If I asked you if you would vote to help out the auto workers in your state you would say "Yes." I asked you if you would vote to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and you didn't answer the question. Why is it so hard?

SEN. STABENOW: The challenge for me is that we have had on the ballot and there has been passage in Michigan of a law prohibiting, uh, gay marriage. So I think for a number of us that becomes a challenge in terms of what has happened in terms of voting in our states. Now, I am a cosponsor of the hate crimes bill, and support eliminating the policies that discriminate among talented people in our military. I support making sure that there are legal protections for everyone. But I think the patchwork of state policies, now, make it difficult and we all have to take another look.

Respectfully, Sen. Stabenow, the man asked you a question. The least you could do is answer. If you said no, I'd take you to task for that and point out just exactly how ridiculous that position is. If you said yes, I'd hug you from afar and when it came time to re-elect you I'd work my ass off. This waffling thing...that ain't gonna work.

But hey, I'm a smart guy. I can read between the lines. The answer was obviously "No." And it's not because you don't think I deserve the same rights. You said yourself (though not in so many words) that it's ludicrous that I could get married in Iowa and then magically be divorced when I crossed the border into Illinois. You said yourself that this "patchwork" approach to equality is a massive failure. You have the power to end it. You have the power to be a champion of LGBT rights, to stand up and say "This is wrong and we need to fix it." But you won't. And why? Because you might get dinged a few points at the polls in 2012.

I've got news for you, Sen. Stabenow. Your seat is yours for as long as you want it. You pasted Mike Bouchard in 2006, 56-42. The people of Michigan like you, and they'll vote to keep you. The challenge for you isn't to twist in the wind and do what's popular at any given moment. The challenge for you is to do what's right and move America forward. The challenge for you is to be a champion for ALL Michiganders and ALL Americans, not just the ones with money and influence. The challenge for you is to step up and be a leader, not a follower.

As for your appearance on CNN today, that wasn't an answer. That was a cop-out...and it was a cheap one. Two hundred thousand people marched outside your office today while you were dissembling at John King's desk and demanded that you and your colleagues do what's right to protect ALL Americans, and you couldn't even answer a question.

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Amen. n/t (4.00 / 1)


Do stupid people know they are stupid?

disappointed (0.00 / 0)
a clear disappointment - and not the first time.  I still remember the Proposal A debacle (shifting state funding to sales tax) and her response was "we had to do something".  And mine, 'well, not something stupid' (how can you fund a state on the basis of tax revenues that fall dramatically during the times where the state outlay will be the highest)

Well clearly better than Bouchard or Rogers, she really needs to grow a spine over issues like this


I remember Prop A, too (0.00 / 0)
oh, and let's not forget the waffling about bankruptcy, too.

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waffling? I remember her voting yes (0.00 / 0)
on the bankruptcy bill - just in time for the melt down.  

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Wishy-Washy (4.00 / 1)
Why does she have to be so damned wishy-washy on things like this that offer a clear moral choice? Ugh.  

The Senator from Citibank (0.00 / 0)
Senator Stabenow's dissembling on the Defense of Marriage Act question is disappointing but not surprising.  The most disgusting vote she cast was a couple of years ago when she cast her lot with the banking and credit card industry and supported a new bankruptcy bill that not only made it harder for working people to get out from under their debts, it allowed credit card companies to jack up their rates so outrageously she and the rest of the senate were forced by consumer pressure to reserve themselves.    

ya, that was disgusting, but worse..... (0.00 / 0)
Yup, you are right....Stabenow voting with the credit card industry really sucked....but that wasn't nearly as bad as Stabenow voting for the Military Commissions Act, one of only 12 dems if I recall who did so....now that is really worse than voting with the credit card preditors.

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Maybe... (0.00 / 0)
Dorothy (and her friends) can take Sen. Stabenow to see the wonderful Wizard of Oz and ask him to give her courage.

Or maybe it's a brain...


Sen. Stabenow (4.00 / 1)
This is going to put her in a bad spot with the progressives, not that she has anything to wory about come election time. I wish she would take a firm stance and not straddle the fence on this and every other issue, it seems like she is just along for the ride and doesnt want to deal with tough issues

http://mi-wire.blogspot.com/

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She's not a good senator (4.00 / 1)
we could do better...

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Disappointed (4.00 / 2)
Sigh.  Why do I keep expecting great things from our elected officials?  You'd think I'd learn.

"Action is what separates a belief from an opinion."

Remember (0.00 / 0)
This is a state with such forward looking and compassionate values that we actually added the ban to our constitution.  The citizens of this state voted to discriminate against an entire class of people.  So, as much as I also wish Debbie would toughen up, this isn't all about her.    

Actually, it is... (4.00 / 1)
I remember, during her last election, one of her people told me that her vote to move forward the bill that would allow for military tribunals (which was a move away from actual US law) was a "profiles in courage" moment.

I know this was the talking line put out at the time, she frequently pulls it out to cover whatever waffling she chooses to do.

I didn't point out to the person that:

1) Profiles in Courage was about a Senator doing the RIGHT thing against public opinion and

2) The Senator in question lost their job, knew they were going to lose, but did the right thing any way.

Having had students work as interns in her office is another eye opening experience with regard to how she makes policy decisions...

She is not a good Senator and we could do much better.

At some point we need to stop with the "more Democrats" philosophy and start pursuing the "better Democrats" plan when it is warranted.


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Better Democrats.... (4.00 / 2)
....are hard to find, it seems.

"Action is what separates a belief from an opinion."

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Correct response (0.00 / 0)
The correct response from Sen. Stabenow should have been:

"Yes, I would vote to repeal DOMA.  Unless or until the courts rule on this based on equal protection or some other legal basis, same sex marriage should be determined by the individual states, not Congress."

Keep in mind that DOMA isn't just opposed by gay rights activists, who tend to be Democrats.  It's also strongly opposed by libertarians and conservatives who favor states rights.  Even if these folks don't agree with same sex marriage, they hate the idea of the federal government saying who can and can't get married.



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