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Poll: Stuff everyone knew to be true is true

by: Eric B.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 at 19:35:58 PM EST


Bernie pr0n says Mike Bishop may have won the battle, but lost the war on K-12 funding:

Lansing -- Local public school districts have too little funding to provide a quality education, according to 60 percent of voters surveyed in an exclusive Detroit News/WXYZ (Channel 7) poll released Tuesday.

Only 23 percent of respondents said the taxes and fees paid for public education are "too high"; 60 percent said they are about right, and 12 percent said "too low."

The results come at a time when protests against the worst school cuts in Michigan history have reached a fever pitch, and could mean Senate Republicans have pushed too far with their focus on balancing the budget without raising taxes, said Bernie Porn, president of EPIC-MRA, the Lansing polling firm that surveyed 600 voters statewide.

Bernie pr0n goes on to interpret this as Mike Bishop winning the battle but losing the war, that the public is fed up with cuts and is interested in substantive tax reforms that fund public education. Who could have predicted such a thing? This will be especially true come next autumn -- right before the gubernatorial election -- when parents are getting adjusted to things like hacked apart transportation services, closed schools, and pay-to-play fees through the roof.  Yes, Mike Bishop and his "not one red cent more for K-12 education" approach to budgeting will be mighty electable statewide right about then.

Ell oh ell.

Meanwhile, the MEA wins a P.R. battle.

A plurality of those polled, 45 percent, said teacher health insurance benefits were about right. The high cost of teacher health care has been a key issue for House Speaker Andy Dillon, D-Redford Township, who has proposed trimming costs by pooling health plans for teachers and other public employees.

Ell oh ell. Again. Can we finally draw the obvious parallels here between the lackluster support for the Dillon plan and the fact that it was rolled out right as the Legislature was headed into another embarrassing budget debacle? Can we finally intuit that people aren't really complete morons, that they can tell that such a reform just might be a part of political games played in Lansing that are more focused on control of political apparatus than they are on crafting intelligent, sound public policy? Can we finally stop pretending that the state's electorate sees things through the eyes of your average teabagger, that when they hear about teacher benefits they think not of some shadowy, nefarious organization (the MEA) mentioned only in the same hushed breaths as ACORN, the ACLU, and SPECTER but of the person currently teaching their child?

Eric B. :: Poll: Stuff everyone knew to be true is true
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Ballot issue (4.00 / 1)
So, why isn't there a push for tax reform through a ballot issue?  I promise to do my part to collect 500 signatures if it also includes a petition for a workplace smoking ban.  The workplace smoking ban will pass easily on a public ballot.  One would think the MEA, AFT, American Cancer Society and Lung Association of Michigan could team up on this one.  If that happens, sign me up for a few Saturdays down at the local grocery.

Well, that's normally what we pay a Legislature for... (0.00 / 0)
I mean, I hate to sound negative, but if the Legislature did the job it was being paid to do, we wouldn't have to think of crafting a ballot proposal to pay for (bleep)ing public education.

Same goes with the workplace smoking ban.  We pay for a legislature so that it can do this kind of stuff.  We don't pay for a legislature so it can go down to Lansing, sit on its collective thumbs, and force the rest of us to do its work through ballot initiatives.

Yes, I know. There is theory and there is reality.  Apparently, the state's electorate is going to have to do the difficult work that the Legislature can't.  Now, we're apparently all screwed ... at least in the short term, since the Legislature appears bent on pursuing yet another short-term fix and kicking the long-term can down the road.

Among the Trees


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The Legislature (0.00 / 0)
Well, as you know, the Legislature isn't just made up of Democrats but also Republicans who are elected by Republican voters, many of which don't agree with us on these issues.  So rather than saying the Legislature isn't doing its job, it would be more accurate to say that there is legislative disagreement over these issues and both new revenue and the smoking ban lack the votes to pass the Republican controlled Senate.

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The Legislature isn't doing its job. Period. (0.00 / 0)
We have a Legislature to pass a budget. The budget wasn't passed on time. We have a Legislature to provide funding through that budget for things we think are important. The Legislature has not done that.

Bottom line, the Legislature has failed to both of those, and no matter the make up of the Legislature, it has failed to do its job.

Among the Trees


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Smoking ban (4.00 / 1)
Actually, there are plenty of votes to pass the smoking ban in the Senate, and that's why it passed last year. The problem is Mike Bishop doesn't support it. He refuses to bring it up for a vote now because it has enough votes and he knows it. When it passed last year, he assigned two of the three members to the conference committee to work out a compromise between the House version and the Senate version that voted against the bill, and they refused to compromise, killing the bill.

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

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One of them was Alan Cropsey (0.00 / 0)
I point this out because he's my state senator, and when he does something stupid, I want the world to know it.

He's also said that people who object to fecal waste in their rivers shouldn't eat, that the lack of proper education funding is a problem for local school districts and not Lansing, and tried to push a bill through the Legislature that would force online dating services to post whether they'd conducted background searches at the behest of a Republican donor.

But, maybe I'm piling on here.  See first paragraph.

Among the Trees


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Right (0.00 / 0)
I know, and the other was the second most rightwing Senator, Al Sanborn. Cropsey admitted on the Senate floor he refused to compromise or negotiate in good faith, and Sanborn won an award from the biggest opponent of the ban, the Michigan Restaurant Association, for killing it.

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

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I have a very real problem (4.00 / 1)
with ballot initiatives. Amending the constitution for the purposes of public policy is just bad. The constitution should contain nothing more than the rules.

Public policy is for the legislative process.

And yes I understand the political dynamics...but that is why democracy is hard...


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