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What if you threw a campaign and no one came?

by: LiberalLucy

Sun Feb 28, 2010 at 17:52:13 PM EST


As we heard on Friday, House Speaker Andy Dillon told the world that he would be announcing his official run for governor today on Sunday with a state-wide tour with several stops around the state, including Saginaw. 

Just a couple hours ago, MLive ran with a story that 'technical difficulties' prevented Mr. Dillon from holding his appearance in Saginaw. What technology?? Unless he had a laser show planned, technology never has a place in a campaign stop.

Not only that, but rumors from folks on the ground in the area are pretty conclusive that the only thing lacking was the actual supporters to provide the camera-ready backdrop for the media despite multiple attempts to shore up support by senior staff. 

Even more interesting is who did meet with Dillon on an earlier date.

According to sources, Dillon met with an 'unknown entity' in Midland on Feb. 15th, the same day he was trying to meet with local Democratic party officials in Saginaw. 

Given Dillon's conservative politics of the last 5 years, the odds are pretty good that he was having a close door meeting with the extreme-right minds of the Mackinac Center.

While it's pure speculation at this point, it's not too much of a stretch, particularly when you consider the politics of both parties, as well the lack of berating by the Center of Dillon as of late. Say what you will, but given Mackinac's love of beating up Democrats, they've been awfully quiet when it comes to the Speaker. 

At the end of the day, the Mackinac Center maybe the best Dillon can get. After a long reign of vehemently anti-labor, anti-environmental, anti-stem cell, anti-everything progressive, Dillon is the Democratic proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing at best.

Perhaps the only 'technical difficulities' Dillon's campaign had in Saginaw was getting the Right folks out. 

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Just saw this on Facebook (4.00 / 2)
'Anyone but Andy Dillon' Facebook Group http://bit.ly/cDrMON

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient

Lessons not learned (0.00 / 0)
Let's see, a poorly polling political party's activist base chomping at the bit to throw their most centrist (and leading) candidate under the bus in order to return to their "core values".  We've all seen this not so long ago with the Republicans.  Let's hope that enough of us are not dumb enough to repeat their mistakes.

The Democratic Party truly needs to be democratic and diverse in its beliefs and leadership if it's going to continue to be the majority party in our state and the United States.  That's my Democratic Party and the party of Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson, FDR, Kennedy, Bill & Hillary Clinton and Obama.

Anyone but Andy Dillon isn't going to beat Pete Hoekstra, Mike Cox or Rick Snyder.


[ Parent ]
Come on (4.00 / 3)
Find me a faction within the Party that would support this candidate and I'm guessing you'll be finding it in the same place as the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and the pot of gold underneath the rainbow.

The truth is, he can't win any of the major factions, and hence, can't win a Primary.

And if by 'centrist' you mean to the far right of moderate, that would be a correct assessment. Serving as Mike Bishop's whipping boy for the last 4 years won't help him with the voters or the base.

Take off those rose-colored lenses and try reality on for a size, the world looks lot different.  

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient


[ Parent ]
Viability (4.00 / 1)
Lucy, if you're so certain that Dillon can't win the Democratic Primary, why has so much grief been directed his way by you and others for months before he announced when the natural reaction to a non-viable candidate would be to ignore them as was done with John Freeman.  Why all the worry expressed here about Bernero and Kildee splitting progressives and handing it to Dillon?  Why the "If it's Dillon v. Snyder, I'm voting for Snyder" comment from Eric?

If Dillon wasn't a viable candidate, he wouldn't be leading in the polls.  Dillon is the preferred candidate of a large segment of our party that tends to be socially and economically moderate.  Most of these people work in the private sector.  Many of them are unions members or union retirees and will support Dillon regardless of who union leaders endorse.  These people don't exist in your world apparently.  But they are Democrats and they vote in primaries.


[ Parent ]
Why Dillon? (4.00 / 1)
Dillon is leading in the polls right now based entirely on name recognition.  He's better known than his rivals.  The problem is also name recognition. He's better known because no one has heard of any of these people.

On the other hand, what would motivate me to vote for Dillon?  What rationale can you possible offer other than party affiliation for why I should lift a finger to give the guy a promotion.  I can think of two good reasons not to -- the budget cycles of 2007 and 2009 -- but no reason why I should support him.

I'm not the only person who has said that Rick Michigan would get my vote for Andy Dillon, and a lot of the opposition to Dillon's candidacy has nothing to do with his politics but on his track record of success.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
SB 776 (4.00 / 2)
Let's not forget SB 776, the craptastic partial-birth abortion ban bill, the one that had contradictory language written into it, not to mention a lot of editorializing. The man who told his caucus he wouldn't put something like that up for a vote...and then did. Thankfully, we have a progressive Governor who vetoed the bill.

In both of those budget cycles and on SB 776, he did little to distinguish himself from what the Republican-controlled Senate wanted. He sure hasn't been an ally to Granholm in any respect during his time as Speaker.  


[ Parent ]
SB 776 (0.00 / 0)
Rich, 2/3rds of the House is pro-life including a large chunk of the Democratic caucus.

[ Parent ]
So what? (0.00 / 0)
Why should anyone who is pro-choice not think it bad for Dillon to let this come to a vote?  Instead, Andy Dillon sold out that constituency ... and for some reason, you don't think that constituency ought to hold that against him.

He's sold out every major Democratic constituency at some point.  Why is it wrong for those constituencies to go looking for someone who hasn't to support as gubernatorial candidate?

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
Well... (4.00 / 1)
He's sold out every major Democratic constituency at some point.

Punching hippies is QED for DLCers...Andy Dillon is our Harold Ford.


[ Parent ]
Speaker's role (0.00 / 0)
So the role of the Speaker is to refuse to allow votes on legislation that a majority of the House and the public supports in order to appease one constituency of the party over another?  This is the exact thing we've been criticizing Senate Republican for doing.  It's why the smoking ban took so long to get passed.

[ Parent ]
The two things are 7 kabillion light years apart (0.00 / 0)
First off, there were plenty of dodges available to Dillon.  He could have said, "Well, it's not necessary because this procedure is already covered under federal law." He could have also said, "This bill is unnecessarily divisive at a time when we need to be working together on the economy; plus, it'll never see the light of day as the governor will just veto it."  It's not unprecedented, you know, for the Legislature to not take up legislation that would either get struck down of that everyone knew was going to be vetoed.

Instead, he let it come up for a vote, voted in favor, and sent it over to the governor to be disposed of with a veto.  And, while I will concede that this was the expedient thing to do, and that it stopped Right Michigan and The Blogprof from continually writing posts accusing him of hating babies, eventually Dillon has to face up to the positions he has taken and the things he has done as speaker without the victims being blamed for his selling out of their interests.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
So are those who are pro-choice (0.00 / 0)
as in the life of the mother...and also, choosing life is a choice that is embraced and supported...as long as it is the mother in consultation with her doctor making the decision...not pasty white guys like Dillon.

[ Parent ]
Name recognition (0.00 / 0)
Did you look at the name recognition numbers?  Dillon isn't leaps and bounds ahead of either Kildee or Bernero in name recognition.

Given that you stated Rick Snyder is more in line with your views on social issues than Dillon, I wouldn't expect you to vote for Dillon.  But then, I don't think most Democrats are putting social issues anywhere near the top of their priority list this year.

Eric, my intent isn't to convert Michigan Liberal bloggers to the Dillon camp.  I know that's not going to happen.  But the "Anyone but Dillon" Facebook group isn't going to produce anything positive.  It's one group of Democrats giving the middle finger to a candidate supported by another group of Democrats.  We should be discussing the positive attributes of each of our candidates and direct our opposition toward the Republicans.  Democrats will only continue to be a majority political party if we remain politically diverse yet politically united.


[ Parent ]
You can't do it, can you? (4.00 / 1)
You can't identify one sound reason why anyone should vote for Andy Dillon.

I did look at name recognition numbers.  Dillon's name recognition is higher than the other three candidates and Dillon is ahead in the polls. So what ... no one knows who he is, which means he's going to be defined for voters leading up to the primary and -- should he win -- to the general election.  What is going to define Dillon? What has he done to warrant being elected governor? I've asked, and I'll ask again, can you identify one single good reason why I ought to vote for him?

Aside from social issues, I see very little difference between Rick Michigan and Andy Dillon ... except that Rick Michigan hasn't been House Speaker during two disastrous budget cycles. Why shouldn't I vote for him?

At some time, you ought to be held to account for things you do and positions you take.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
Rick Michigan (4.00 / 1)
Eric, I can't provide you with a reason not to vote for Rick Snyder.  To be honest with you, I haven't taken much of a look at him.  And due to my partner, there will be a Snyder sign right next to the Dillon sign in our front yard this summer (until I accidently hit the Snyder sign while mowing the grass).  You identify as a liberal.  I identify as a Democrat.  I voted for Hillary Clinton.  You voted for Ron Paul.  We approach elections differently.  I will freely admit to having a strong partisan preference.  It would take a lot more than Rick Synder to get me to vote on a Republican primary ballot.

[ Parent ]
I didn't ask for that... (0.00 / 0)
I asked for one good reason to vote for Andy Dillon.  Just one.  You haven't even given me a crappy reason.

Among the Trees

[ Parent ]
See my e-mail to you. n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
Weak (4.00 / 2)
I think we'd all like to see the reasoning. Please do share!

[ Parent ]
Location (0.00 / 0)
Unlike this morning, I'm not in a location this afternoon where I can legally discuss the merits of candidates who are currently running for office.  I also have no desire to become the Michigan Liberal cheerleader for any gubanatorial(sp?) campaign.  My point in blogging here earlier today was to suggest that we not engage in in-fighting among Democrats.  I promise you that regardless of who you're supporting (assuming it's a Democrat), I won't be attacking them.  If that's "weak", I'll admit to the limp wrist.

[ Parent ]
Early (0.00 / 0)
It's too early to get all wound up about who's leading in the polls.

[ Parent ]
One word (4.00 / 1)
Lunacy

How does Dillon, the man who's lead this state into not one, but two budget shutdowns, shake the stink of Lansing off of him? All the polls coming out agree that Michiganders are sick of the current ruling class in Lansing and no one stinks more of that than Andy Dillon.

Eric's right, the only reason he's leading in polls is because his name is associated with all the bs in Lansing. I doubt the favorable rating of his name is little if at all.

But what I really want to know is, why are you still a cheerleader?  

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient


[ Parent ]
Bigger question is who wants to him to win... (0.00 / 0)
If we have to have a Democrat or a Republican, I'd prefer the Lansing Mayor.   Dillion is just another Republican disquised as a Democrat.   So called moderate sane Republicans have long ago abandoned the Republican Party and taken over the Democratic Party.  Now they own both.   Why do you think it is so far right?    

[ Parent ]
I agree (4.00 / 6)
That the party needs to be "democratic and diverse in its beliefs and leadership". But what does that have to do with supporting Andy Dillon for governor? The guy has shown he ineffective and even worse, not to be trusted. He's no one that I want in the Governor's office. If your claiming that he's the best that we have for Governor, it's a sad commentary on the state of the state party.  

[ Parent ]
Effectiveness (0.00 / 0)
Dillon has outraised every other House and Senate caucus for the majority of reporting periods in which he's been speaker.  The Democratic majority in the House has increased to its highest level in our state's modern political history, making its largest gains under Dillon's leadership.  And unlike when Republicans had a majority that size, Dillon has managed to hold his very diverse caucus together by incorporating both liberal and centrist Democrats into House leadership positions and as committee chairs.  Going into a very rough year for Democrats, the House Democratic campaign operation is far ahead of any of the other caucuses.  There isn't any other House Democrat who could have been as effective a Speaker as Dillon has been.  That's why House Democrats elected him in 2007 and re-elected him in 2009.

[ Parent ]
Half of that has nothing to do with Dillon (0.00 / 0)
Half the House Dem majority was built on poor performance in the area of governance by state and federal Republicans.

Furthermore, none of that provides even the slightest hint of practical reason why Dillon ought to be promoted to governor.

The question continues to be, Brady ... why should anyone vote for Andy Dillon?

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
Dillon = Disaster (4.00 / 1)
Why is it so difficult for you to list Dillon's accomplishments as Speaker? Fundraising? How about what he's accomplished for the residents of Michigan?  

[ Parent ]
Wow! (4.00 / 1)
Are you going to credit Dillon with winning Obama the Presidency too?

The irony of everything you just said is that the "Dirty Fucking Hippies" that Dillon is working against have more to do with those successes than Dillon ever could claim.

Sounds like someone is looking to move to a Governor's mansion gig.


[ Parent ]
Obama (0.00 / 0)
If I recall correctly, Dillon was backing Obama during Democratic Primary process, so yes, he deserves a small share of the credit for Obama winning even though Hillary would have been a better President.  No one is perfect.  

[ Parent ]
LOL (4.00 / 1)
The Cry of the Clintonistas can still be heard throughout the blogosphere. ;)

[ Parent ]
Huh? (0.00 / 0)
Dillon has outraised every other House and Senate caucus for the majority of reporting periods in which he's been speaker.

Not the most recent one.... but no problem making "$1 million in commitments!"

What legislative accomplishments does Dillon have for having the largest Democratic majority in our state's modern political history, as you put it?  


[ Parent ]
That ought to be a clue.... (4.00 / 1)
He sure as hell isn't getting money because he intends to rock any boats of the rich and conservative in this state.  He's been as big a pain in the Gov's side as Bishop has.   Eisenhower and Miliken were both better Democrats than this current group of yahoos, and I'm not voting for any Democrats that aren't at least as left as either of them.  


[ Parent ]
Andy Dillon = Epic Fail (4.00 / 3)
His non-leadership of the House for the last few years has been bad enough. Why on earth would we want to go double or nothing by giving him four years as governor?

And it has nothing to do with his "centrist" credentials. I know several people who loathe Dillon as a candidate but who would vote for Schwarz if he were to run.


[ Parent ]
Rick Michigan... (4.00 / 1)
At this point, if the contest comes down to Andy Dillon vs. Rick Michigan, Rick Michigan gets my vote. He's more in line with my ideas on social issues. Plus, he doesn't carry the baggage of failure that Dillon does.

Dillon could win my vote over the next several months, certainly, but he'd have to do it through a combination of competence and not selling out his own people at every turn.

Your idea that we right now line up behind the guy because he polls the best is ... well, it's the same kind of stuff that Hillary's supporters were saying in 2008.  She's the inevitable candidate, she's the only candidate who can win, she's got so much support and money and poll numbers that only a fool would think to get behind that feller from Illinois with the funny name.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
I was willing to look at Snyder until (4.00 / 1)
he sent me an email proudly announcing that Dick and Betty DeVos had endorsed him.  Now, I can't hear a word he has to say.  

[ Parent ]
Centrist (4.00 / 2)
I can't get over that anyone would paint the criticisms of Dillon as nothing more than the lashings of a far-left wing of the party.  Good grief, Dylan isn't a centrist; he's a bonafide Republican.  

Just as importantly, ideology or not, the guy is just a horrible and ineffective politician.  So, even if he really was a moderate Democrat he'd still be a horrible choice.  That Dillon or Bishop have the gall to run for anything is just amazingly disgusting.  In a good and fair world, they would have slinked off into the shadows and their respective careers in politicis tarnished, forever.

BTW, what rocket scientist thought it was a good idea to launch your campaign on a Sunday?  Every time I think this guy can't be anymore dense or out-of-touch he just goes and surprises me.  It's almost as if he's personally trying to put himself in the most unflattering light as possible.  Hell, he may as well have just announce his candidacy of Christmas.

This man -- as a politician is -- a complete joke; a terribly unfunny and awkward joke you wish you'd never heard told.


Was his hand forced? (0.00 / 0)
You bring up an excellent point. You can't pick a worse day than a Sunday to announce something and hope to get covered by the press. Say what you will about the candidate, but the people around him know better.

It makes a lot of sense that someone tipped off the press on Friday (when MIRS first broke the news) to force his hand for Sunday. And that leads to an even more interesting discussion about the internal politics within his own campaign.

Why would someone that's a part of the team do something that would hurt the team? Maybe I've seen too many spy movies, but it kind of sounds a little like sabotage to me.  

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient


[ Parent ]
It's worse than that... (4.00 / 1)
In 2010 there's neither a Presidential nor a Senate race on the ticket. This means the top name on the ballot will be our Gubernatorial candidate. That person has to motivate the base, not just for him- or herself, but for ALL the other Democrats running: Attorney General, Secretary of State, plus the entire Senate and House.

This is the kind of heavy lifting that Andy Dillon simply cannot be trusted to handle.

Putting a "centrist" who can so easily be tarred with everything that's gone wrong in Lansing since 2007 at the top guarantees depressed turnouts and many losses in otherwise-tight races.

As has been amply demonstrated in so many ways, Dillon has no real support among the party base...and the moderates and centrists who might vote for him sure as heck won't WORK for him, let alone put in the hours for all the down-ballot races.

Bottom line: The more races Democrats lose in 2010, the worse things will be when all the Districts are redrawn in 2011.


[ Parent ]
Governor Dillon (4.00 / 2)
Try and imagine life under Gov. Dillon. Think about all of the best minds he put together to lead the state House and imagine them as chiefs of staff, department directors.  Imagine Miles Handy as Michigan Democratic Party Chair.

Think about an agenda that includes more polluting coal plants, undermining stem cell research, new anti-choice abortion restrictions, a "streamlined" regulatory regime that fast-tracked pollution permits, wetlands destruction permits, oil drilling on state land, offshore drilling in the Great Lakes.   This wholesale export of Great Lakes waters.  Imagine a policy to create a race to the bottom for workers in the private sector by establishing aggressive benefit and pay cuts at the public sector level.  In other words an agenda any Republican would be happy to embrace.

Then imagine at the helm of all this a leader who has absolutely no fidelity to his fellow party members, is insular and uncomfortable with the media, disdains progressive advocacy leaders, and adopts the political positions of the opposition party to fill the vacuum in strategic thinking inside his own head.

Think about four years of incompetence, political chaos and Michigan falling further behind.  Think Governor Dillon.


Vote Dillon for Governor (0.00 / 0)
because Michigan needs to be put out of its misery!

[ Parent ]
Permission (4.00 / 5)
Mike Bishop must have finally given Dillon permission to run for governor.

Michigan is Broke... (4.00 / 2)
...and it's government is broken.  What this state needs in its next governor is someone who:

* has experience as a political executive

* has managed their jurisdiction's transition from an industrial economy

* has balanced budgets

* has effectively worked with leaders from both parties

All these are regardless of which party the next governor happens to be from.  Dillon can't claim any of that.  None of the Republicans can claim all of that.  But both Bernero and Kildee and claim all of that.

"I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." -- Harry S Truman


Giving moderates a bad name (4.00 / 4)
As someone who has frequently on this site been called a centrist (and worse), I have to speak up here and agree that - by most measures - Andy Dillon is a horrible candidate.

You can be a moderate, pro business, pro growth economy Democrat like me and still be staunchly pro women's right to choose,  pro education, pro equal opportunity and pro tax fairness. I am all of the above. Dillon is nada.

Brady, we see eye-to-eye on many issues, but I don't think you should paint yourself as the patron saint of all moderates. Neither should you hold up Dillon as the standard bearer for all that's good in the Democratic party. He is not. Not even close.

Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.


Patron Saint of Moderates (4.00 / 1)
Yvette, not only am I not the patron saint of moderates, I'm not even fond of that term.  Moderate to me means wishy-washy, someone who rides the political fence for safety's sake.  I'm not even much of a centrist unless one uses the very loose definition of centrist (and imo, correct) definition that Eric has been fond of repeating recently.  I'm very liberal on some issues such as gender/sexuality issues and what's currently called conservative on others such as guns.

Nor do I feel that Dillon represents all that's good in the Democratic Party.  But he part of what's good about the Democratic Party and so is Virg Bernero and Dan Kildee.  I would be happy to have any of the three as our next governor.  You won't see me on this blog attacking any of the Democratic candidates.

In terms of education funding and tax fairness, there is very little Dillon, Granholm, Cherry, Brewer, Bernero or any other Democrat can do while the Senate remains in Republican control.  Republicans have no political incentive to allow any tax reform to pass which would be anything more than revenue neutral.  They aren't about to be forced into a last minute tax increase again like they were in 2007.  Your and my shared belief that we need to invest in our future depends on having legislative control of both the House and Senate and either a Democrat or a reasonable Republican as governor.

At the very least, Dillon personally destroyed the 25 year old myth in this state that revenue positive tax adjustments will result in successful recalls.  He made Leon Drolet look like a fool and shut Mr. Perks down.  Dillon and his family personally took on most of the weight on that issue and prevailed while also helping to deliver a 67 seat very diverse Democratic majority.  Say what you will about him, but he's been the best Speaker we've had so far in the era of term limits.


[ Parent ]
A crucial difference (0.00 / 0)
Just because we're Democrats doesn't mean we can't talk about the differences or serious deficiencies of each candidate. This isn't personal. It is what the primary season is for.

Dillon's lack of significant legislative accomplishments and behavior during last year's budget process IMHO disqualifies him from serious consideration as a candidate for governor. Aside, he hasn't even begun to be attacked in a significant way for being tied to two government shutdowns. With most voters still not knowing who he is, those attacks could really stick. None of the other candidates in the race have such major baggage.


[ Parent ]
Government shutdowns? (0.00 / 0)
What government shutdowns took place in 2009?  My recollection of last fall was that the government shutdown was largely ignored.  In 2007, the situation was taken more seriously due to all of our virginity with the issue and the melodrama that was a result of it.  But I'll remind you that 2007 resulted in a House Democratic victory that resulted in the destruction of Mr. Perks and aided our gains in 2008.

[ Parent ]
This is you, cloistered in Lansing... (4.00 / 2)
To the general public, 2007 was an abject failure of state government.  So was 2009.  The general public doesn't expect the state Legislature to miss deadlines on budgets, especially when much more popular units of government (i.e. local municipal governments and school districts) have their budgets settled during June.  When the budget is finished after deadline, even if the shutdown that results is largely symbolic, the general public sees that as failure no matter who tries to claim legislative victory.

Andy Dillon has both of those failures tied around each of his legs.  No other candidate currently has the distinction of being so publicly connected to them.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
Best Speaker? (0.00 / 0)
"Say what you will about him, but he's been the best Speaker we've had so far in the era of term limits."

That's a joke Brady. Craig DeRoche, a retrograde Republican, managed to work with Governor Granholm to get budgets approved without a shutdown. Andy Dillon failed at that task twice and in doing so, gutted key priorities for Democrats. Even DeRoche didn't do the damage to Michigan that Dillon did.  


[ Parent ]
DeRoche? (0.00 / 0)
You have to be kidding me.

[ Parent ]
The joke (4.00 / 1)
is that Dillon's record is so poor that he makes DeRoche look good. The joke is that it's taken you over 24 hours to finally trot out some so-called accomplishments that are pathetic for a person running for Governor. Mr. Do-Nothing Dillon.  

[ Parent ]
Shades of gray (4.00 / 1)
I, perhaps self-servingly, think of a moderate as not an extremist. I don't believe that there are only two categories of people: the kooks and the fence-straddlers. Some people see at least a little bit of good in everybody -- with the possible exception of Michelle Bachman and Glenn Beck. (I'm not saying they don't have any good in them, I'm just saying I haven't seen it yet!)

That being said, some of my best friends are leftist kooks and I love them dearly. So who am I to judge?

Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the back of the poor. People who don't have lobbyists or clout.


[ Parent ]
What is the definition of leftist? (0.00 / 0)
See, that's my problem with how moderate and centrist are defined.  Take the issue of global warming, for example.  It's politically to the right to be skeptical of climate science. It's considered left of center to think that we need to do something to prevent climate change.

As far as definitions go, this is utter lunacy. It's not a political position to be skeptical of science. It's a scientific position to be skeptical of science. The political part comes in when you're trying to figure out what to do about a problem.  The proper conservative position should be that the bulk of scientists believe climate change to be real, because this is the truth, and that we need to address it by promoting market-based alternatives instead of regulation. The proper liberal position should be ... well, hell, I have no idea what the proper liberal position should be since we're hung up on a debate over the science that ought to not be taken place.

The current moderate position on climate change? It's probably real, but not so dire as liberals make it seem, so we don't really need to move quickly on it. Whatever we do, we need to make sure that it's not too extreme.

A lot of how we debate issues in this country is done on those terms.  It's false, all of it.

Among the Trees


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- Mark Maynard
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- Our Michigan
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