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State Party Chairman's race: Going forward

by: Eric B.

Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 00:00:54 AM EST


Okay, we've arrived at a place where I am fairly reasonably confident to confirm that there will be a race for Michigan Democratic Party chairman, and that it will be between Mark Brewer and Lon Johnson. (By the way, the inset photo is a nod to fellow MSTie Graham Davis for his Facebook post earlier today.) I'm also reasonably confident to say this is an earnest challenge, and not some yahoo cooked up by the incumbent to prevent a real challenge. It's a race.

So, here is what's going to happen from here on out. The first is that flame wars will be closely scrutinized and offenders liberally troll rated. I'm a survivor, man, of The Great Primary Massacre of 2008. I'm not so enthralled with free speech that I want more play dates and mornings ruined by people complaining about how uncivil the Internet is.

The second is that this is officially neutral territory. Neither Michigan Liberal nor I will endorse in this race. I'm not a party member in the first place, and in the second this is so small an operation that an endorsement might smack of bias on behalf of the entire site. As it relates to World War Democrat, this place is fucking Switzerland.

The third is that we're going to give the candidates their opportunity to speak, as often as they like. I'm going to solicite from every candidate what they'd like to do with the Democratic Party as party chairman and post what they say. If one of the campaigns opts to not share, I'll let you know. For the next month, I'm going to also give front pager status to one person from each campaign, so they can appeal directly to party members. This is an important election, and the candidates ought to have unfettered access to potential voters. The editorial content beyond that, of course, is independent and if one side chooses to use this site to lie about an opponent, it will be noted.

That is all.

Eric B. :: State Party Chairman's race: Going forward
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Lon for Governor (0.00 / 0)
Quite frankly, I think Lon is much more interested in running for Congress or Governor. And, the party chair position doesn't pay enough and won't provide him any leverage for an eventual run for either of those offices.

"Action is what separates a belief from an opinion."

interesting (0.00 / 0)
Which Congressional seat is he in? A Republican, of course, just can't think of who. I dunno about a failed House candidate running for Gov. though.  

[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
I think it is Dave Camp up there in the 103rd, about the worst seat he could be in. I would be bummed to see Lon as chair the same reason I would be bummed to see Benson chair. I don't see how they can run for a competitive seat again afterwards.

[ Parent ]
Good plan, Eric. (0.00 / 0)
The Right Wing blogs all have to carefully control who gets to say what because the Right Wing knows it can't compete in the Free Market of ideas.  

Liberals know better.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.


Past Swept Under Carpet. (4.00 / 8)
The current chair of the Michigan Democratic Party cultivated the fake Tea Party political party to draw votes from Republicans in 2010. It is bizarre to me that few Democrats seemed to care much (let alone challenge him on whether he was involved or not).  He not only had the audacity to stand for re-election the next year, but had the strange fortune of being re-elected. Apparently a repeat may occur yet again. Wild.

I am ashamed of my starring role in the scheme. When the state party emissary started calling this county party leader at the last minute pleading to help find candidates for their tea party farce, I should have stopped to actually consider the moral implications of it all, told them to go jump in the lake and shouted from the mountaintops about it.

That I did not will remain a personal disappointment and a legal black eye for the duration of my life. I thought I was being a loyal party soldier, doing just what the Republicans would do. I deserve all the scorn I got. I'm not interested in relitigating the past, but I got six felonies and he got another term as chair.

I don't know and I don't anticipate he did anything illegal, but it was and is unethical. Every time I read a quote from the state party chair about how Speaker Bolger and Rep. Schmidt were dastardly fellows I wanted to puke.

The buck clearly does not stop with him -- or anyone else, from the looks of it. The state party and its leadership should be providing, well, leadership. It is small wonder that Democrats are on the outside looking in at all levels of state government.

I got involved in politics before I was old enough to vote, motivated by the belief that my family and my state were hurt by Republican, one-party rule that we were under. Governor Engler's cuts to the state's mental health programs were crippling and I would never forget the closing of the Clinton Valley Center in Pontiac.

Shame on me for losing sight of what my involvement was all about. Winning for the sake of winning is no admirable motive. It is sad, really, and it was a big blow that I contributed to a setback in the cause rather than advancement. I apologize to everyone that I unintentionally undermined what was important.  

Rewarding failure is foolish. Some failure or mistakes do not make a person a failure, or their tenure a failure, but there are large-scale strategic and structural flaws on constant display. Yet, the status quo is preferable to self-improvement for the state party and its major components.

Shouldn't there be a better reason for someone to be selected to lead a state party than: There's no compelling individual who is willing or able instead? The fact that people are so stumped when coming up with prospective replacements is alone a damning indictment of the current chair's party prognosis. The absence of cultivating new leaders and a strong farm team is sad and can be interpreted as fiefdom protection.

And worst of all -- it all gets orchestrated away so that it never has to be faced, discussed, improved on or anything. Parliamentary tricks and party games are thrown up to avoid any redressing of grievances or even consideration of new leadership options. The notion that any candidate for state party chair should pay an entry fee (of $1,000 I do believe) is disgusting. The sad reality that any challenge to current leadership is drowned out and shouted over is disgusting. That doesn't represent the Democratic Party to me. Give someone the opportunity to speak their mind, offer their ideas or even offer themselves as options, discuss it and vote. Don't get too cute by half to protect those who already are in power.

Why do I bother even sharing my two cents? It is important that reality be addressed. Do not sweep the past under a carpet or stick one's head in the sand. The state party seems to be operating just like the national GOP. To any and every party member: Hate me, disagree with me -- Fine. Just talk about it, already! Air your grievances, suggest your ideas for making it better and work to make it happen.

State parties are designed to be partisan. I get it. Party chairs are designed to be partisan. I get it. The Republicans are just as knee-deep in games and chicanery and winning at all costs, I get it... But don't you want better for Michigan and the Democrats? The state Democratic Party is moribund in many ways and I sense that most everyone gets that, too, but is afraid to do anything about it.

It may be too late for me, but for the sake of Michigan I refuse to accept that you can't do any better than whomever protects the status quo the most and offends the most party interests the least.

Raise your standards, please and thank you.

P.S. -- Sorry to ramble; I didn't set out to write so much, but I don't plan on spouting off about it any further and I'm no longer a voting party member, so I thought it best to share at once.



Great Lakes, Great Times.


Welcome back, Mike (0.00 / 0)
Shouldn't there be a better reason for someone to be selected to lead a state party than: There's no compelling individual who is willing or able instead?

There really really SHOULD be a better reason. I hope Lon Johnson can cut through the clutter and demonstrate he can do the job.

On a semi-related note, I'm getting a little tired of Mark Brewer crashing every single Northville Democratic Club function so he can get his ring kissed and bask in the glow of the NDC's work.

P.S. The only thing worse than Mark Brewer claiming the moral high ground with Bolger/Schmidt and McCotter? L. Brooks Patterson citing the "Fake Tea Party" fiasco as a moral equivalence defense of the party that gave us Jase, Turncoat Roy and Thaddeus.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison


[ Parent ]
Well, Mike (2.33 / 3)

I don't know what to say.

But, I'm glad you're letting people know the basic outlines of what was going on.

And, you've answered my questions as to why Brewer, (Dave Woodward and Andy Meisner) were compelled before the grand jury. I wonder what troll BlueBoxing will say.

At this point I'm wondering why Brewer wasn't charged.

Perhaps if you post more details, adding more sunshine to the fiasco people will take notice.

Hell, did they use my MDP or union dues to pay for this Watergate, Donald Segreti-style, "rat-fuck?"


[ Parent ]
.. (0.00 / 0)
I am not sure why you talk about me so much it is strange. Probably because they did not do anything illegal like signing false notaries.  

[ Parent ]
Honestly (4.00 / 1)
You need to stop the personal attacks.  This is the second one I've seen, and you come across as really rude, to boot.  Unless you two are addressing each other directly, there is never any need to take personal potshots at one another.  Stop it.

[ Parent ]
Good Lord Middle Dude! (0.00 / 0)
Oh, PUH-lease. Stick to the topic, Brewer, Johnson ...


[ Parent ]
Project much? (0.00 / 0)
You should have done the same, and done it first.  Me calling you out for your borderline trolling is getting off topic; it's calling you to get back on topic.

[ Parent ]
Stop. (0.00 / 0)
Everyone.

The ghosts of 2008 have spoken.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
unions dues (0.00 / 0)
 I doubt Union Dues.... they cant be used... maybe Money from VCAP or a TON of Spag Dinners and then some Money was Donated from those.. But not Union Dues.. ALL Union Dues have to be Accounted for...

[ Parent ]
Skeptical (3.00 / 1)
Please excuse me if I'm a little skeptical; it comes from my stint as a former journalist, so why now? Why three years later? Why not come clean when you took a plea? This is just giving the rightwing ammo; just check out wrongmichigan.

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

[ Parent ]
Skeptical of what? (4.00 / 6)
Are you skeptical of my motivations? I don't have a particular candidate for chair, I haven't spoken to anyone running for chair, I won't be voting in the chair election or attending the convention.

I haven't switched parties. I'm not tying to embarrass anyone. I am not attempting to give ammunition to the other party. Pretending negative things didn't happen so that the other guys don't beat up on you more isn't a sound approach for improving the party.

Can we PLEASE stop living in fear of the big bad other party and start leading with our best selves and self-policing our own party? We howl and stomp when the other side behaves badly but won't give but a passing thought when our own party leaders and officials behave badly. Instead of vocal GOP critics, the most important audience are the citizens of Michigan; the voters want and deserve a party of good government.

Why now versus then? I had created enough problems for myself and others and was more focused on, oh you know, not going to jail for a few decades. After enduring a Grand Jury Investigation and the destroying of reputation, career and social structure one isn't interested in messing with their probation term or inviting further humiliation.

I attended the convention two years ago expecting a debate and reflection on the party chair's past two years. Nary a peep was allowed to be heard. Yet, I know first-hand that many people feared / suspected the state party was involved with tea party farce. No one is the least bit curious where approx. $150,000 materialized out of apparent thin air? I at least know this to be fact: No money of mine personally (please note I was a financially challenged 26 year old finally finishing college at the time of that process)or the county party was used to pay for the 'tea party' signature gathering.

If you wanted me to gripe about that while I was in the midst of my investigation or my sentencing, well, then I would've just been dissembling or attempting to draw attention from my own transgressions, right?

If the august members and activists want to consent or endorse to this continual behavior, then fine, but let them be able to make that decision knowingly. The good people of the Michigan Democratic Party deserve to know what their chair is doing, how their dues and donations are being used, what is happening to their brand and what improvements will (or will not) be made to promote the party and its platform. Period. There are too many good, good party activists who are expected to go along for the ride unwittingly.

If anything, my writing now is more than anything revisiting my own shameful role and bringing on more scorn... But I am compelled to speak truth to power.  

Great Lakes, Great Times.


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Still Skeptical (0.00 / 0)
Yes, that and your truthfulness.  I don't actually call telling the truth griping. So, my questions still stand. why now? Why three years later? Why not come clean when you took a plea?

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

[ Parent ]
Were you in the courtroom, sir? (4.00 / 2)
You wanted me to lament on the state of the Democratic Party in a packed Oakland County courtroom, in front of Judge Alexander, waiting for my fate to be entered into judgment, at the culmination of the most devastating 1.5 years of my life, with about two dozen people hoping for the chance to berate me inside and outside the chambers?

No thanks. It wasn't the time or place.

Like I said before, there were more pressing things to consider at that moment.


Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
Even more (0.00 / 0)
No I wasn't, but I have been in a few professionally. The time for you to give a reason for why you committed this crime would have been when you were under investigation, to the prosecutor during plea negotiations or anytime in the last three years. If what you said is true, why were you the only county party to answer Mr. Brewer's request? My questions are valid, and they still stand.

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

[ Parent ]
Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
I agree that your questions are valid and I'm not disputing your right to ask them or whether they're good or bad questions.

I do not know who else was contacted, not contacted and why or why not. I am not them, but I can tell you I have never met, communicated with or previously heard of half of those 'Tea Party' 2010 candidates.

Others should answer for that. I didn't cook this up in my apartment, contact some dude in the thumb, file papers with the state, gather and/or pay for a few hundred thousand signatures, hire/pay a well-connected Lansing election lawyer, recruit many of the candidates and so forth. I don't know all of that, either, but (presumably) you and the rest of Michigan is likewise in the dark.

To sum: As a party activist and/or member, you deserve answers; I just don't have most of them.  

Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
In other words, I can't answer them. (0.00 / 0)


Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com

[ Parent ]
You're kidding me, right. (4.00 / 1)
I can't read the mastermind's mind.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

[ Parent ]
stop (4.00 / 1)
Michael, please stop dignifying this troll with responses! I've never been an apologist for you and/or the other guy, but it's three years later and your comments seem relatively genuine so I am okay with it.

This guy is just antagonizing. He's not a party activist either, he's a tin-hat wearing conservative. This from his Web site: "It will also focus on the absurd 30-plus year Nixonesque political strategy of the "liberal media" lie."


[ Parent ]
clarification (4.00 / 1)
By "okay with it" I did not mean "okay with your actions three years ago." I meant "There's no reason to grill somebody on a blog about why a young man didn't publicly proclaim every detail of a court case to the media in the midst of a life-altering event."

[ Parent ]
I can vouch for his identity (0.00 / 0)
He was posting and commenting on this site before I was, so he's hardly a troll.

You can expect stuff like this, especially from anyone who might support Mark Brewer in this party chair fight. People who don't like Mark Brewer are going to be the same way when the shoe is on the other foot.

Once the convention is over, we'll all mostly go back to being friends ... unless some of you are planning another round of lawsuit threats.

Among the Trees


[ Parent ]
What? (0.00 / 0)
How do you get me asking what took you so long to come clean have anything to do with a "mastermind?"  I'm asking about your actions. I'm baffled as to how a lid was kept on this explosive story for so long when there was an investigation and a plea agreement.

A troll? A conservative? How did you reach that conclusion? I have been a liberal blogger and a party activist for some time. I don't recall ever saying I was a Mark Brewer supporter, Eric. It just seems to me you should have some facts and a reliable source before you level a charge like that against a man who has a good 20 year career.

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
The facts I have... (0.00 / 0)
... are my first-hand experience. It is up to others to decide on my reliability, which is a fair point.

My comment about mind reading is directed at your indication that I might know why I versus others were contacted. I do not know that.

I believe I have throroughly answered why I wouldn't have tried to make a big deal before: I wasn't going to mess with any hornet's nests while under Grand Jury Investigation, under indictment, in a pre-trial process or on probation, paying fines and doing community service. I was sentenced December 7, 2011 and was on probation afterward.

I know you to be a Democrat. I believe your name is Kevin and you're from Livingston County, if I recall correctly.

Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
I'm not buying your fairy tale (0.00 / 0)
You are correct about who I am; mainly because it's no secret. My last name is Shopshire, BTW. However, that's all you got right. I don't consider someone convicted of perjury and forgery a reliable source, and you have not answers my questions thoroughly or otherwise.

As I said, I was a reporter for almost 12 years, and many, many times source would call to tip me off about things they wanted to get out or go off the record. The hard part was getting them on the record, but at least I has something to check out. The state of journalism now is writers, reporters and bloggers routinely use anonymous sources, so I'm still baffled how a lid was kept on this story for so long. At no time did a prosecutor, police investigator, reporter or blogger ask you why you decided to do this? You had plenty of time to come clean, and in no news report taht I can find did it say a condition of your probation was a gag order. Plus, who told you to commit fraud?

I still wonder why now, and you have not answered that question.  

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
Fairy tales have happy endings, so... not applicable here. (4.00 / 1)
My last sentence about who you were was to rebut the other commenter's false impression that you were a Republican agitator. I didn't mean to upset you.

No one told me to commit fraud. Only my own stupidity in the heat of the moment is to blame for that.

I wasn't interested in generating a gotcha witch hunt. I was interested in sharing my experience and how that shapes my opinion that there needs to be a leadership change at the state party.

Considering your points about journalism, well, here you go: I've given you and all others an open tip. Take it for what you perceive it to be worth (which is understandable if you give it zero worth).

There was a thorough Grand Jury Investigation. Public statements from those officials who coordinated that investigation reinforce rather than contradict my account. If you want to follow the leads, you can start by revisiting press accounts from the time.

If you want to make my informed opinion an opportunity to discount the validity of my statements, fine, but that would be missing out on the opportunity to determine what is happening with your state party.

Who got the Tea Party on the state ballot, Kevin? Did I do that? No, I didn't.

Who recruited all of those candidates outside of metro Detroit, Kevin? Did I do that? No, I didn't.

Who hired and paid Lansing election attorney Mike Hodge, Kevin? Did I do that? No, I didn't.

Who conducted, or claimed to conduct, a Tea Party state convention, Kevin? Did I do that? No, I didn't.


Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
Tale (0.00 / 0)
You didn't upset me because I have never made it a secret who I am. If people want a leadership change at the state party, great if they base it on 18 years of performance, but not on your - well, we will just call it a tale - story.  Like I said, there is no way a lid stays on that kind of story for three years. If I was a blogger I would run with the story, but as a reporter, I would need conformation before I ran with it. Do you have any? I did review the press accounts. I'll ask again, was a gag order a condition of your probation?

As for your informed opinion, I'm taking the reliability of the source and the timing into account. You do know there is no such thing as the "tea party?"  I have no idea who Mark Steffek is or who paid Mike Hodge, Mike, but they were not charged with a crime.  I don't know the answers to the questions you posed; why don't you enlighten us.  

Communications Guru The Conservative Media http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com


[ Parent ]
Timing or what.... (4.00 / 4)
If this is the real Mike McGuiness I applaud you for coming out. These are words that needed to be written and digested among the masses, no matter how hard it might be for folks to swallow the words, in part or whole.

Mike McGuiness took penance for his role in the Tea-Party switch-a-roo scandal. With such, he is not the problem anymore in my humble opinion. Instead, the problem is a failure to change and recognize that today's politico climate is bigger than "backroom deals" done in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's or 2000's.

The People's needs are BIGGER and the Richie Rich side is playing the games for keeps. They understand that our economic piece of the pie is getting smaller and smaller on a World-wide domination scale, and are more than willing to  engage in a "by any means necessary" tragedy securing their monetary revenue for decades to come.

The only way to win is by informing the People why they MUST be involved, listening to their ideas (even if one disagrees with all or some of them) and taking concrete actions (policies, stances, etc.) to let them know a "party apparatus" is on their side. To be blunt, it will take a major change of the "powers that be".

Are we willing to make the changes required is a question to be answered.      


[ Parent ]
Sorry and agreement (0.00 / 0)
I understand what you are saying and am sorry for what you went through.  I tried to get involved in the Democratic party both at the county and state level and gave up in disgust from exactly what you say above.  The parliamentary tricks keep any changes from occurring or anyone new coming in to propose anything different.  It's all a series of fiefdoms of folks who are jealous of their power both imagined and real. Republicans will keep beating Democrats to the punch until new leadership occurs along with some kind of realization that bringing new people with different ideas into the party is something that should be a goal rather than something to be avoided.  Winning elections is all about engaging the greatest number of people.  Messaging and organizing should be the order of the day.   That shouldn't be that hard to do?

[ Parent ]
Memories. (0.00 / 0)
If this is the party activist that I think it is: Hello and I hope you're doing well! I have fond memories of getting to know you during the DFA Training at the University of Detroit-Mercy Law School in downtown Detroit circa 2004.

If it isn't, well, hello anyway!

Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for posting. Shitty. If Brewer was involved and I totally get what you said but am inherently skeptical, but if indeed he was I would be surprised if Bob King wasn't involved. I still have a hard time picking essentially the UAW's side in a fight they created after they have been in defacto control for so long. Seems backwards.

[ Parent ]
Makes sense. (0.00 / 0)
So why does it have to be an either-or decision?

Great Lakes, Great Times.

[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
Well unfortunately sometimes ballots only have two names on them. At this point I am voting for Brewer opposed to a UAW strong man even if it is Lon who I think it delightful and undoubtedly could raise a shit load of money.

[ Parent ]
Yes - it's me (0.00 / 0)
I never quite followed what was going on with your situation and am really sorry about what happened.  

I thought I was going to help energize the party and instead found out what an impossible task it was.  I have totally gotten out of all party related functions.  I banged my head against the wall for a couple of years before I finally gave up in disgust.


[ Parent ]
Perhaps (4.00 / 1)
perhaps we need to start a chapter of Michigan Democrats Anonymous for all of us who went though the same. Perhaps some 12-step program will disabuse us of the intoxicating effects of activism.

"Hi, my name is "L," and I'm a activistoholic."


[ Parent ]
H i Mike. (4.00 / 5)
Mark Miller, 6th District here. I never knew you that well, but you did such an awesome job as MC of the Millie Jeffrey dinner in 2010. I thought you had so much political talent. You were able to introduce everyone in the room without notes!

Was so sorry about what happened, and never got the opportunity to say that. Hope you will find a way to get back into something that makes good use of those skills!


[ Parent ]
Thank you Mark. (4.00 / 1)
Fun event, glad you remember it fondly! Stay warm on the west side.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

[ Parent ]
Welcom back, Mike! (0.00 / 0)
I thought you had so much political talent. You were able to introduce everyone in the room without notes!

Agreeing with Mark Miller. Mike has so much of the political skill toolkit that I expected him to go on to public office.

He was very good at remembering people, names, affiliations (I'm terrible at them). I do hope he's welcomed back by everybody.

As to Michigan Democrats Anonymous, I also have stopped paying for membership, although I occasionally go to conventions. My technique is to give them $1 on site, and ask for a receipt.

And I used to be a regularly elected convention rules committee member! But the rules were merely presented to us. There's no opportunity for review in advance, or to amend once there.


[ Parent ]
HAHA! (0.00 / 0)
I too served on two "important" committees where nothing was done. They all should have been renamed "politburos."  

[ Parent ]
Same here (0.00 / 0)
I was named to State Central.  I was quite excited until I found out that we had no real duties other than showing up at party functions and clapping when called to do so.

[ Parent ]
Maybe (0.00 / 0)
We should hold the first meeting of the Anonymous Caucus on the 23rd.  

[ Parent ]
Didn't join (0.00 / 0)
This is the one time I wish I had as it might get exciting.

[ Parent ]
MIRS (0.00 / 0)
The above comment's on MIRS as QOTD.

GONGWER (0.00 / 0)
And now a story on Gongwer.

[ Parent ]
Great (4.00 / 1)
These are perfectly fair ground rules.  I'm actually getting kind of excited simply because this is the first race in a long time where I'm genuinely undecided.

I'm actually kind of torn.  I'd like to get the chairmanship out of Southeast Michigan to finally develop the other Democratic centers in the state that have been left out to dry.  But, I'm also completely turned off by what I remember being Lon bragging about an "A" rating from the NRA, which I get was probably good for him politically running in the incredibly rural district he ran in, but not a position I feel comfortable supporting for someone becoming Michigan Democratic Party chair, especially after Newtown.  So, I'm genuinely undecided.


NRA and Lon (4.00 / 2)
I'm not an NRA supporter by any stretch but the party chair really isn't a factor at all in the debate. That will be shaped by elected officials and when you have former NRA board member John Dingell making the case for strengthening gun laws, there's just no chance the party platform is going to reflect an extreme position on guns.  

[ Parent ]
Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I never seen a chair set much of a legislative agenda. The thing that troubles me a bit more is reports that Lon is demanding $150k a year to do the job and he wants a ED hired. That's nearly twice as much as the $80k Brewer makes plus the ED pay but the old adage that if you can raise it you can make it might come to mind.

[ Parent ]
Salary is appropriate (4.00 / 1)
I'm told the Ohio's party chair earns more than $200K.  Most of the top aides to Congress make over $100K. Most big state parties have a chair and an ED. I don't, personally, think these are issues per se. But they do cost money. So would the departure of Brewer. What would need to be dealt with if Lon is chair is the loss of Brewer's legal experience and skills in the area of campaign finance laws, which have saved the party a ton of money.  I would also assume there would be some extremely valuable and grossly underpaid party staff who would leave because they are there primarily out of loyalty to Mark Brewer. Brewer's comparatively low salary kept everyone else's salary on staff below average and if the new chair's salary is closer to the norm then the salaries for other positions are likely to increase.  

Lon's fundraising abilities would have to make up for the increased staff budget. These are things that should be vetted.    


[ Parent ]
good point. (0.00 / 0)
I do not see the $150k as being to much for the chair the same way I don't thin $78k is too much for a state rep but like you said it is something to think of. I mean the cross over from Brewer to Lon might cost the party as much as $275k with the increase in salaries and the extra cost for a lawyer. It might be one of the most important things in the world when it comes to this debate but it is certainly worth noting. I wonder if they would have to change the salary for the chair on the floor or if that is a state central decision.

[ Parent ]
I think salaries come to Exec Comm (0.00 / 0)
They have never been an issue at either the convention or State Central.

[ Parent ]
Who puts up the money to pay the MDP chair? (0.00 / 0)
And, where do you think the money comes from to pay the current chair?

"Action is what separates a belief from an opinion."

[ Parent ]
NRA rating (0.00 / 0)
He had to do that to be competitive.  We traveled up in that area a few times and all the ads on the radio talked about how he wasn't "one of us".

[ Parent ]
Time to Investigate Ourselves (0.00 / 0)
Mike McGuinness' statements of Brewer's involvement, together with Brewer's (and Woodward's and Meisner's) appearance before the grand jury lend enough credibility to the allegations that Democratic leaders across the state should demand an investigation to determine if party rules or laws were broken.

Then publish the results; let truth fall where it may.


Not supporting Lon Johnson (4.00 / 1)
It would take rather a lot for me to support Lon Johnson, assuming that's the same fellow who was Dingell's campaign manager in 2002 against Lynn Rivers. Pretty nasty guy. I'm sure somebody loves him, but....

Then don't have it be a binary decision: (0.00 / 0)
Encourage and support others to seek the post.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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Has to be a binary decision (0.00 / 0)
Otherwise, we end up with Brewer again. I'd support Brewer over Lon Johnson anyday.

And somebody does love him; made it into the paper of record:

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/1...

So he has White House connections....


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Nasty guy (0.00 / 0)
Why do you say he's a nasty guy?  What makes him nasty?  He was part of Obama's campaign I think.

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Mr. Simpson (0.00 / 0)
Was an active part of the Lynn Rivers primary campaign of 2002 and would've directly been on the ground during the Dingell v. Rivers congressional showdown.

Lon Johnson was Mr. Dingell's campaign manager that year.

As I was in high school and in Oakland County, I don't know the details beyond that.

Great Lakes, Great Times.


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Where I'm at... (0.00 / 0)
If Lon Johnson wants the job, he should be actively campaigning for it -- and that means meeting fellow Democrats whenever and wherever they meet over the next 18 days.

He may not be FROM SE Michigan, but Mr. Johsnon needs to SPEND TIME down here, trolling for votes from the local Clubs, County parties and District organizations with the numbers and the clout to help him win.

If I walk into Cobo Center on the 23rd and still haven't met Lon Johnson, then I'll end up voting for Mark Brewer for the same reason he got my vote in 2011 and 2009 -- no better candidate wanted the job and was willing to WORK for it.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison


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