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House GOP expected to be asked if rape insurance rider was caving to extremists

by: Eric B.

Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 14:16:07 PM EST


Someone forwarded me today what they said were House GOP talking points in the wake of the rape insurance rider vote. Below the fold is the entire list in all its vile glory. A few highlights, like the very last one:

It seems like you caved to pressure from special interest groups such as Right to Life to vote on this.  Why are you taking marching orders from them instead of your constituents?

After the House received the citizen-initiated legislation, we decided to take time for careful review of both the language as well as the legislative process that needed to be followed to implement the law in accordance with the Constitution.  Citizen-initiated legislation is so rarely brought before us we wanted ample time to review it and ensure it is done properly so as not to be subject to lawsuits and a drawn out process over time.  This isn’t about timing, it is about doing what is right and that was our intent from the beginning.

You'll note that the answer doesn't actually address the question. It dodges it by talking about the citizen initiative process rather than why the Republican Party is taking its marching orders from extremists. They caved, but like with Goat Killer's bigoted anti-gay tirades, they'd just as soon change the subject.

As to why they didn't just put this on the ballot and let the people decide ... I'll let their words do the tallking.

Obamacare is, unfortunately, the law of the land and both insurance companies and individuals are required to comply with it.  Amending the proposal or delaying it by a year or more will create more confusion and complication down the road.  We needed to act so that health insurance companies can stop offering elective abortion as a covered benefit in 2014, not in 2015 or beyond.

Obamacare put a gun to the head of our ongoing experiment in the Dunning-Kruger effect and made them vote on this.

By the way, this one deserves special attention:

Ø  Even pro-choice individuals I have talked with feel it is unreasonable to subsidize the cost of someone else’s choice to terminate a pregnancy.  We are protecting the right of every Michigander to not have to fund abortions.

Revel in its mendacious glory. Obamacare was held up for awhile by Bart Stupak, because Stupak was concerned that the Hyde Amendment wouldn't apply to insurance policies purchased on the exchanges and subsidized with taxpayer dollars. He wrote an amendment to Obamacare to make this happen, but it didn't pass the Senate. But, the president signed an executive order extending the Hyde Amendment to Obamacare. Since the state doesn't have its own subsidy program, no tax dollars from Michigan citizens were ever going to go towards paying for abortions. So, this is a big, fat, whopping lie.

Anyway, below the fold are all the talking points.

Eric B. :: House GOP expected to be asked if rape insurance rider was caving to extremists
Petition initiative - Abortion health insurance coverage opt-out
Dec. 11, 2013

Ø  The right to petition state government to adopt a law via signature collection is a process enshrined in our state's Constitution.

Ø  The certified petitions were signed by nearly 300,000 registered Michigan voters from all 83 counties, which represents a broad spectrum of voters from the entire state.

Ø  While abortion is legal in the state of Michigan, it is an overreach by the government to tell health insurance plans they must pay for elective abortions as a covered “benefit” for each woman they insure.

Ø  The right to have an abortion is protected under state and federal law; the right to have it paid for is not.

Ø  Coverage for emergency contraception is unaffected by enactment of this law.  A woman who is sexually assaulted may choose to use Plan B to prevent a pregnancy, for example, as a covered benefit of her health insurance plan.

Ø  The health insurance plans offered to state lawmakers and their staff do not include abortion as a covered benefit.

Ø  Even pro-choice individuals I have talked with feel it is unreasonable to subsidize the cost of someone else’s choice to terminate a pregnancy.  We are protecting the right of every Michigander to not have to fund abortions.

Ø  Obamacare is moving forward even though I opposed it from its very inception.  While we cannot stop its implementation, we can take a piecemeal approach to weaken certain aspects of it, such as stopping taxpayer-funded abortions from being subsidized.

Ø  Nearly half of the other states in the union have already approved opt-out statutes to keep plans on the Obamacare exchange from offering abortion coverage. We are protecting Michigan's hardworking taxpayers by becoming the 25th state to enact this safeguard.

Questions you may receive:

Why did you vote on this instead of letting their people have their say on the ballot next year?
Obamacare is, unfortunately, the law of the land and both insurance companies and individuals are required to comply with it.  Amending the proposal or delaying it by a year or more will create more confusion and complication down the road.  We needed to act so that health insurance companies can stop offering elective abortion as a covered benefit in 2014, not in 2015 or beyond.

Why no exception for rape?
This does not deny anyone's right to purchase an insurance policy that covers abortions.  Rather, it keeps the cost of that coverage on the individual instead of putting the burden on other Michiganders.  In addition, health insurance companies can continue to offer emergency contraception as a covered benefit for all women they insure.  Further, if someone wants to choose abortion under any circumstance, they can.  If someone wants to have health insurance that covers abortion under any circumstance, they can buy it.

It seems like you caved to pressure from special interest groups such as Right to Life to vote on this.  Why are you taking marching orders from them instead of your constituents?
After the House received the citizen-initiated legislation, we decided to take time for careful review of both the language as well as the legislative process that needed to be followed to implement the law in accordance with the Constitution.  Citizen-initiated legislation is so rarely brought before us we wanted ample time to review it and ensure it is done properly so as not to be subject to lawsuits and a drawn out process over time.  This isn’t about timing, it is about doing what is right and that was our intent from the beginning.
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This one is particularly rich:

Ø  Even pro-choice individuals I have talked with feel it is unreasonable to subsidize the cost of someone else's choice to terminate a pregnancy.  We are protecting the right of every Michigander to not have to fund abortions.

If anything, I've even heard some abortion opponents saying that though they'd likely vote for something like this, the process by which it was done was dubiously ethical at best.  

They are putting out these desperate talking points, because they've seen the polling on this issue, and they know Right to Life pushed them into a corner.  It gets me that they are so afraid of an organization that has a hit-or-miss record, at best.  Right to Life's idiocy during the 2010 Republican primary is what allowed Rick Snyder to slip through if the conservatives have forgotten.  Right to Life earned the ire of Pete Hoekstra, as anti abortion as any conservative you'll find, when they f%cked around in the Republican primary.

In the long-run, this is fine by me.  Now they can watch as their allies are ousted from power, and their stupid law overturned, all because greedy conservatives are never sated.  Nothing is ever enough, whether it be restrictions on abortion, opposition to equality, voter suppression, and the list goes on.  You give them an inch, and they will try to take a mile.  But, this is their monster, now they have to deal with it.


What's next? (4.00 / 2)
No coverage for transfusions because Jehovah's Witnesses do not agree?


Contraception is next (4.00 / 1)
Right-wing Catholics are determined to limit access to family planning, starting with federal programs and employer-paid health insurance. It won't stop there.

In last year's primaries, Rick Santorum was quite explicit in saying that Griswold v. Connecticut, which struck down a state ban on contraception, was wrongly decided; and went on to say that it was morally wrong for people to have sex strictly for pleasure.

Don't underestimate these zealots.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.


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On the other hand, it's not weird to bring home a miscarriage and pass it around for the family to admire. (0.00 / 0)
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And that is (0.00 / 0)
one of the reasons Santorum was an also-ran. Nobody wants to be ruled by a church lady.

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And how is it (0.00 / 0)
that once an individual--at least a conservative individual--touches a dollar, that dollar is forever theirs, and they should be allowed to control what it is spent on, even after they have received something of value in exchange for it?

Why is it still theirs?

If these folks object to what the insurance company does with "their" dollars, then don't buy insurance. Problem solved!



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