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Today's entertainment: Correct climate deniers' grammar

by: Eric B.

Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:01:54 AM EST

Earlier this week, it was cold. So, climate change is a myth, right? Well, no, it was cold primarily because it's winter and Michigan is athwart the 45th Parallel. This morning, this was pointed out in a couple of places, here (it's me) and at the Freep by Nancy Kaffer.

As always, the real fun can be found in the comments section. Not under mine, sadly, which is mostly former Mackinac Center "science" writer Bruce Walker (who used to get quoted as a stock "skeptic" until it was pointed out that he has an English degree an no actual expertise) complaining about how mean I was. Under Kaffer's article, however, there's no end to the joy. There's comments about low flow toilets (DAMN YOU, ALGORE!) and lots of stuff in ALL CAPS. For the rest of the day, I'm declaring a Grammar Jamboree in the comments section of Kaffer's column, in fact. If you get bored, feel free to stop by, find a particularly egregious crime against grammar and/or spelling, and leave a correction. If you need an example, I've left one. Someone referred to her column as "dribble."

Eric B. :: Today's entertainment: Correct climate deniers' grammar
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CHEM TRAILS. I stopped reading the comments when someone cited a Dan Brown book.

It's the usual cast of trolls in the comments - I swear some of those people treat commenting there like it's their job. Plus some other sad, angry people.

Must have been a Kerry Bentivolio constituent
In his infamous "impeachment would be a dream" town hall, one of the attendees brought up the subject of chem trails. He was very insistent.  

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

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It never ceases to amaze me
Any story that remotely deals with climate ("Perfect Conditions Await Cross-Country Skiers," for example) attracts a flock of right-wing trolls who deny global warming and bash anyone who believes it exists and that human activity causes it.

What I found astounding is the vehemence--and illiteracy--of these comments. There's something about the debate over climate that goes straight to these commenters' lizard brains and make them react with pure hatred. Evidently they think a hippie commune is going to send out the UN police to confiscate their Dodge Ram.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

This is exactly it
Back right after the Berlin Wall fell, Pat Robertson said that all the communists left the Soviet Union and went to the U.N. to work on environmental programs with the idea of instituting global communism. It caught on, so that's where all that comes from.

I've spent lots of time over the years "debating" climate deniers on various bulletin boards, forums and in the comments sections under things I've written. I spent most of yesterday doing that, matter of fact. I had one guy "round" a 15 year span to 20 years for no good reason and another tell me that he had trouble buying "alarmist" argument because the people who made them also had solutions to propose (apparently, they don't actually believe that the globe's climate patterns are changing, they just want people to burn less fuel for some reason).

At the end of the day, I think you're absolutely correct. It's not about the science (I always, always ask climate deniers to explain the underlying scientific theories believed to be at work, and to this date have never gotten anyone to take me up on it). At the end of the day, they don't believe in climate change because freedom.

Among the Trees

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What is a climatologist
A few years back, I read a piece on the term and title of climatologist. Climatologists used to be people from land grant schools who looked at weather from the past few decades and let farmers know what to plant next year. Not meteorologists looking at today's weather, but kind of a local reference beyond Poor Richard's. I don't know what kind of clout they carried in the community, but that's supposedly how the role originated. Shoot, look at the paper's from the 1960s into the early 1990s that predicted global cooling - but they only looked at the past 25 to 30 years of data. Fast forward to now and there are specific and numerous divisions of PhD climatologists who look at global climate over thousands, hundred of thousands, and eons under many different niches. It's a relatively new facet of the science (as well as advances in technology to gather this geologically aged data).

There are still a few old guard climatologists out there (See Pat Michaels from VA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... although that's a bit of a different beast since he had been taking funding from the fossil fuel industry for decades while not producing any credible research while denying human impacts, but he's still around - and note no mention on wiki of his self-anointed title of state climatologist or his unceremonious dismissal in 2006).

But I think this goes back to people not being able to comprehend time very well on a geological scale, let alone beyond their own generation or a generation or two. I can see snow out my window, I don't see a dinosaur. Or maybe it's some reluctance to believe the liberal press or some hippy college boy or an outsider who tells you what you're doing is actually harmful. It's sad.

So one of these old cranks or someone with a PhD in religion writes a completely unsubstantiated paper denying global climate change or the potential contributors and deniers decry, "My side has the facts!" when there really aren't facts. It's just boneheaded talking points that someone was paid to write. Just as in politics and religion, there's a new guard coming in to grift from the masses. Teach the controversy, eh? Skeptics and cynics have a place at the table, but facts and sound scientific theory need to come along with them.

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