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JFC ... Gary Peters, stop voting to repeal Obamacare

by: Eric B.

Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 09:49:50 AM EDT


This tires me. It's last week's latest attempt to repeal Obamacare, this time through the piecemeal effort of delaying penalties related to the individual manate. Gary Peters was one of 27 Democrats to vote for it ... along with every Republican.

This wasn't the standard "repeal Obamacare" vote that we've become accustomed to. This was the incremental "delay Obamacare until we win an election and can fully repeal Obamacare" vote that has replaced it. It's entirely symbollic and bad policy to boot, considering that despite the first fits and starts that Obamacare is working.

I don't know who is giving Gary Peters advice on this kind of crap, but they should be ignored. It's assumed that the point to this is to stave off criticism by various rightwing organizations that Gary Peters is depriving the Julie Boonstras of the world of their healthcare. It won't, because the people who paid for that ad don't care. They're going to lie shamelessly, and when called out for it are simply going to blame Gary Peters for their lying. We know this because they've already done it.

All this sort of thing does is serve to depress any excitement that grassroots Democrats have for Gary Peters as a top-of-ticket candidate. It weakens him, not stregthens him. Whoever told him that voting this way is a good idea is a perfect example of someone who's worked in Washington D.C. for far too long ... even if it's only for five minutes.

Update! ... This is what I'm talking about.

WASHINGTON (AP) — With just three weeks left to sign up under President Barack Obama's health care law, a major survey tracking the rollout finds that the uninsured rate keeps going down.

The Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, released Monday, found that 15.9 percent of U.S. adults are uninsured thus far in 2014, down from 17.1 percent for the last three months — or calendar quarter— of 2013.

That translates roughly to 3 million to 4 million people getting coverage.

The coverage for Obamacare has shifted dramatically since the exchange website rollout, which we all accept was pretty horrific. Now, the coverage has shifted towards the success Obamacare is having in getting people enrolled. Gary Peters' is voting as if his votes are going to change how his opponents attempt to frame him, and as if the public gets its information from rightwing media outlets (as if they are going to stop pretending that Gary Peters is a horrible socialist who wants to take away people's cancer treatments).

Instead of playing the fundamentally unserious game that the House Republicans continue to play, he should get out ahead of their criticism and say, "It's not perfect, but it's working. Whatmore, Terri Lynn Land thought shutting down the federal government until Obamacare was repealed was a great idea, which means that Terri Lynn Land supports taking away the health care coverage of the 4 million Americans who today have health care through Obamacare."

Also, Michigan's Medicaid expansion has yet to take place. Transportation and the roads are great issues to hang around the neck of a governor who has for two years been pledging to fix the state's roads (hasn't gotten it done, by the way ... I'm sure that the amount of time the Legislature has devoted to things like Common Core hearings and killing wolves will be forgotten this spring when everyone in the state is howling for blood because they keep blowing tires). The Michigan Democratic Party ought to be using these new numbers to hammer on the Legislature for not letting Michiganders fully join in this good news because Pat Colbeck thinks a state run exchange violates the 10th Amendment, and because the state Senate couldn't have been bothered to give Medicaid expansion immediate effect.

Eric B. :: JFC ... Gary Peters, stop voting to repeal Obamacare
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http://snyderholes.com/ (0.00 / 0)
The MDP has rolled out a statewide campaign about Republican failures to fix Michigan's roads -- and the Governor's broken promises in that area.

And they are also highlighting specific Republican Senators for their failures to support expanding Medicaid with immediate effect.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison


Great issue, dumb name (0.00 / 0)
Rather than showing pictures of potholes and saying that Rick Snyder is responsible for them, Democrats should be talking about all the frivolous, stupid things the Legislature and Snyder have done the last three years instead of fix road funding.

Among the Trees

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Road Funding is obvious and affects everyone (4.00 / 1)
The frivolous and stupid things are too numerous to build a message around that appeals to a majority of Michigan voters...

...at least one that's separate from the meesaging that already exists about RTW, reproductive rights, same-sex marriage, education funding cuts and raising taxes on retirees and working families to pay for that $1.8 corporate tax cut that has yet to PROVE that even one job was created as a result (as opposed to the many other factors driving job growth...such as roads that aren't crumbling before our eyes).

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison


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This (0.00 / 0)
While I think the name is kind of cheesy, and doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, it has to be attention-grabbing to grab the attention of the average voter.  Starting off with an academic laundry list is not going to cut it.  That comes after you've grabbed their attention.

As an aside, attacking Snyder over the condition of the roads is actually a litle funny to me, though, only in the objective sense.  The blame lies almost exclusively with the legislature, as Snyder has been trying for years with a whole host of proposals to get this done.  Politically, though, you have to tie this around his neck, and it's the only way we can fip the house.


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Your post just proves Snyder's culpability (4.00 / 1)
That Jase Bolger, Randy Richardville and the rest of the GOP-dominated Legislature simply IGNORE a Governor of their own Party when he begs them, hat in hand, to fund road repairs...is the very definition of weakness.

They do not fear him, and certainly do not respect him. He's just that guy in the mansion who rubber stamps whatever they pass, no matter how offensive. Snyder's veto threats are rarely credible, and his wonkish statements are reduced to background noise.

This all seems the inevitable outcome of Rick Snyder's political naivete, his self-proclaimed status as a nerd and a CPA, and the admission a couple years ago that he was a victim of bullying all through school and into college.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of Republicans in the House and Senate who show all the signs of having been bullies all through school and into college. One hates to say "once a bully, always a bully; and once a victim, always a victim"...but that's the dynamic I see. They sensed weakness, and have exploited it mercilessly -- and Rick Snyder goes along because he agrees with most of it.

It's where they don't agree where Snyder ALWAYS loses, ALWAYS backs down.

In short, Michigan needs a Governor who Leads, not one who Pleads.

Given all that, they heartily support Snyder's reelection as four more years of Legislative dominance over a weak-willed Governor means four more years to enact the ENTIRE catalog of ALEC-written bills and every cockamamie idea 90-something far right extremists with unchecked power can come up with into state law.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison


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I don't diagree (0.00 / 0)
Snyder needs to be gone; he has lost any moral credibility he's ever had on any issue.  Yoou won't catch me defending him.  My only point was that I get why Dems are framing the issue around him, and it's easier to frame it around one person, than a body.

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Gary Peters is a symptom of an even bigger disease (4.00 / 2)
For over 40 years, Democrats have been in a defensive crouch, worrying that the political ghost of George McGovern will come flying out of the crypt. That defensiveness is destroying the party.

In their effort not to offend, the Democrats have conceded the battle over language to the Republicans, which is why we hear about "welfare queens" and "death panels." They are afraid to defend their legacy, even to the point of putting Social Security and Medicare on the table. They take their core constituencies for granted because "they have noplace else to go." They are the worst debaters in the history of politics, mainly because they're scared to death of alienating "swing voters," who are largely mythical. And they've become beholden to a network of consultants, strategists, and other vendors who tell candidates to live in a bubble and say as little of substance as possible.

The result of all this is Gary Peters, and hundreds of other candidates just like him around the country.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.


Wasn't Gary Peters Initially a Republican? (0.00 / 0)
Not that there is anything wrong with the millions of former Republicans who came from the Milliken-Javits-Brooke wing and now make their home with the Democrats, but I am thinking for some reason that Gary began his political life as a Republican back in his Rochester days.

Anyone else as ancient as myself from the Oakland County Area who has a similar recollection?


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That would be news to me... (0.00 / 0)
I find it hard to believe, but he has certainly put in the time as an active Democrat since at least 1990, as the Democratic nominee for State Senate in northeastern Oakland County.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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One thing I do know: he wasn't a pitcher for the White Sox (0.00 / 0)
Reggie Jackson said that of all the pitchers he faced, Peters was the toughest to hit. Baseball is a mysterious game.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

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Burnishing those centrist credentials, I see (4.00 / 1)
Four years ago, Yvette called Peters the ultimate purple candidate.  This is the kind of vote that earned him that nickname.  According to DW-NOMINATE, it works, too.  On a scale of positive 1.00 for a perfect conservative record to negative 1.00 for a perfect liberal record, Peters had a score for the 112th Congress of negative 0.259, making him the least liberal Democrat in Michigan's delegation and the 177th least liberal representative overall.  In contrast, Conyers had a score of  negative 0.707, Clarke negative 0.532, Dingell  negative 0.460, Curson negative 0.407, and Levin and Kildee tied at -0.399.  Too bad such a moderate record does not insulate Peters from being called a leftist by the GOP.  Then again, evidence doesn't seem to matter to them.


Greetings from Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future!

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FWIW, the actual number of people who have enrolled (4.00 / 4)
...as of today is roughly 4.3 million.

When the official February HHS report comes out tomorrow or Wednesday, it'll show around 4.2 million, but that'll only be as of 3/01.

Just figured I should probably shill for my site here sooner or later; this seemed like a good thread for it.

http://acasignups.net/


Don't worry none (4.00 / 4)
When our friends do good, we like it for them to get some notice. I've been following your success along on Facebook and it's good that anyone who isn't Facebook friends with you and reads this stuff should know what impact you've had on the way this stuff is being digested nationally. It's impressive.

Among the Trees

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Heh. Thanks. (4.00 / 3)
It's turned into A Thing that I just have to ride out now. Around late April or so (probably shortly after the March HHS & CMS reports are released), most of the numbers will be in and I'll hopefully be able to wind the site down.

To this day, though, I still can't fathom why the hell HHS hasn't been issuing regular weekly top-line numbers as part of the Monday morning press briefings. If they'd done that from the start, I wouldn't have ever needed to launch the site (I don't mean the detailed demographics that come in the monthly reports, just the main numbers nationally: X QHPs, Y Medicaid).

And why the f*ck they didn't slap a "are you currently insured?" Yes/No question onto the enrollment questionnaire, I'll never know...


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Shirley Johnson and Jan Dolan Endorse Peters. (0.00 / 0)
Per the Oakland Press, these Republican former state legislators support Gary Peters for U.S. Senate.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com...

Great Lakes, Great Times.


Peters and Alex Sink (0.00 / 0)
Both praised Peters an independent thinker who works "across the aisle" with the opposing political party.

Last night we lost a seat we should have won in FL-13. Reading Daily Kos last night, one of the major criticisms of losing Democratic candidate Alex Sink was her willingness to work across the aisle to get things done. So, to the liberal base, are these endorsements viewed positively or will they alienate the base?


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Sink was a crappy candidate who ran a crappy campaign (0.00 / 0)
The national party, in its infinite wisdom, parachuted her into a district she hadn't lived in, then shoved progressive candidates out of the race. Par for the course.

Sink is a Blue Dog who worked in the banking industry. She made approving comments about Simpson-Bowles (including cutting Social Security via chained CPI) and was on the defensive about the health care law.

It might be unfair to call Sink the Martha Coakley of the subtropics, but she comes damn close. In spite of outspending her opponent, who carried enough baggage to fill a fleet of U-Haul trucks, she lost.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.


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