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The 11th CD: Swiftly becoming the most interesting race in the state

by: Eric B.

Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 11:01:49 AM EDT

Heard this morning that Nancy Skinner has been burning up phone lines trying to get support from the unions. Heard it, working on getting it verified. Again, one of the candidates in this race is sponsoring this website this month, so I have no comment (and probably wouldn't, since it ain't my district).

But, on the other side, the R side, is also heating up. By now, most of you have probably heard or seen that ad Koo-Koo Kerry is running about Vampire of the Unfortunate David Trott that Trott tossed an elderly woman out of her home while making his killing (one of a very small handful of people who probably thought the housing collapse had a silver lining). I also saw a comment down there about how Koo-Koo Kerry's old campaign manager is suing him for unpaid fees. One of you wags who posted this to Facebook this morning said he'll probably defend himself by evoking the "Santa don't pay his elves" defense.

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Collecting 2,000 valid congressional district signatures
is no small feat. If she is going for it, she'll need to get going fast.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

2000 is the max you can submit; 1000 is the number of valid signatures you need.

Still, your point stands.

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Important distinction
I should have written either 2,000 (which was my point) or 1,000 valid (which is the true threshold).

The ultimate goal of 2,000 is especially important in districts with split municipalities, which can easily lead to voter or circulator confusion.  

The 11th District has a few, but not many, split communities -- West Bloomfield Township and Rochester Hills come to mind, with the Bloomfield Hills versus Bloomfield Township angle always a tricky one for many to distinguish.

Brenda Lawrence's campaign Facebook announced that she submitted 2,000 signatures today for the 14th District.  

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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Here's Lawrence's announcement
Friends, by submitting our 2,000 nominating signatures today, I'm the first candidate to file for our district. Our superior ground team has been hitting the streets hard, despite the winter weather. I'm grateful for the support!
Link to her campaign Facebook page

Greetings from Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future!

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Also, Farmington is 11th, while Farmington Hills is 14th

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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Excellent example!
Good thinkin', there.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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Not so hard, if you hire McCotter's staffers
Cut, meet paste.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

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If she can't do it, she has no business running. Campaigning is hard.

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The process has started
Petitions were being passed around at last night's Plymouth-Canton Progressive Issues Forum event (hosted by Eclectablog's Chris Savage).

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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For Skinner?

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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Yes, for Nancy Skinner
Both the McKenzie and Kumar campaigns started their petition drives a few weeks ago.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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Even after a Google search, I'm a little confused
as to who Ms. Skinner is. Or I guess more concisely, I'm confused why she feels she is a better alternative to McKenzie. Hopefully I'll get her answer to that question within the next few days.

Is anyone here buds with her? (Or with McKenzie for that matter?) I feel like the more I know about the 11th, the less I know.  

An enigma, wrapped in a mystery...
wrapped in bacon.

The former 11th was quite the mystery, too. The entire time I was -- and will forever remain -- incredulous that the likes of Thaddeus McCotter had been a United States Congressman from our state.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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In 2001 then-state Senator McCotter helped redraw the U.S. House map
And amazingly, in 2002 the new 11th was just a perfect fit for one Thaddeus McCotter to win.

After that, the power of incumbency pretty much carried him.

Of course, if you owe your career to one gerrymander, you can easily be undone by the next.

Aside from the amateurish cut-and-paste work, another reason McCotter's petitions were flagged was that the signatures came from voters in Westland and Garden City -- which for 2012 were no longer in the new-new 11th.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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La Rouche supporter Bill Roberts is also running in MI-11
Mrs. Dudgeon and I just got back from the Canton public library, and two men were collecting nominating petition signatures for Roberts.

And yes, he's running as a Democrat this year. Look at this transcript from the La Rouche PAC.

To paraphrase George Carlin, "when you're born, you're given a ticket to the freak show; if you live in MI-11, you get a set in the front row."

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

well then.
That would be a terrible turn of events, if he were to win the nomination.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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We don't even have to entertain the idea, in my mind.  I don't think he'd do any better this time than he did last time, even with more people in the race.  He'd quickly be crowded out.  Basically, he got the clear minority of the vote opposed to Dr. Taj in a two-man race, and who knows how many Republicans ended up voting in our primary?  Even if they didn't, the point still stands that he had a platform that you get for being in a two-man race that he won't have this time.

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You gotta love it...
According to LaRouche,
if we do not get Obama, thrown out of office, in the immediate future, then probably most of the people in the United States will be exterminated in World War III.

He's talking like next week. The guy is like a cult leader, who gets a pass from his followers for all the missed predictions. Kinda like Bill Kristol, or George Will.

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It's no laughing matter in Texas
That's where a LaRouche disciple named Kesha Rogers is in a runoff against David Alameel to be the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate.

That a whackjob like Rogers might share the statewide ballot with Wendy Davis is a nightmare scenario for Texas Democrats.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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It was the comparable scenario that was present in my mind when I had made the previous comment.  In fact, Rogers had been nominated for a congressional seat more than once -- giving the Democratic Party a nominee that was advocating for their own President's impeachment.

Long story short, ain't nobody got time for that in Michigan.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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I was wondering when Ms. Rogers would be mentioned.
She's the most visible bad example of the effects the LaRouchies have on the Democratic Party right now.

Greetings from Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future!

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I'm sure ScottyUrb and Former Michigander remember what happened in 1986
When two LaRouche candidates took the Illinois Democratic Party by surprise and won the nominations for Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State.

For almost 20 years that was the gold standard for major-party clusterfucks in Illinois, until Republicans blew the 2004 Senate race and Gov. George Ryan was shipped off to prison (for crimes committed when he was Secretary of State...which are almost exactly the sort of things Terri Lynn Land did while she was Michigan SoS).

Then it was Blago's turn to make us cringe and here we are.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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YOWZA! Never heard of that.

Alas, Scott has only recently left our mitten midst and quite possibly wasn't born yet in 1986.  He's a youthful one.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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Adlai Stevenson III
While I am only young in mind, and isn't age just a state of mind anyway, I indeed recall the chaos of the 1986 Illinois Governors race and took from it the decency of Adlai Stevenson III.

The former US Senator had run for Governor in 1982, losing by just 5,000 votes out of 3.6 million votes cast. His bid for a recount was shot down by one vote by the Illinois Supreme Court (sound familiar?). So, as 1986 dawned, here was a man truly ripped off four years prior, and no doubt a cagey advisor in a party-driven state such as Illinois had simple advise - run with the LG and SOS nominees as a Democrat...it's your only shot.

Instead, putting his second bid at risk, Stevenson took the high road and said his values wouldn't allow him to run with these candidates and instead he created the Solidarity Party. This party only slated candidates for Governor, LG and SOS, so the education was bringing those who were voting Democratic on the other ballot positions over to the Solidarity line for Governor.

As expected, Stevenson went down to a resounding defeat, losing by 15 points, trailing James Thompson by 400,000 votes. The Democratic line had no candidate for Governor, only the LaRouche nominee for LG, and still polled nearly seven percent of the vote.

Would Stevenson have won had he run on the Democratic line? Perhaps. Eighty-six was a strong Democratic year nationally and in Illinois, as Alan Dixon won reelection by a one million vote margin and Dems won 13 of the 22 Congressional seats. Further, the Dems held AG, Treasurer and Controller all with strong margins.

Alas, a loss for a man who put principle ahead of winning.

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Like his father, Adlai Stevenson III is a class act
He did not deserve what happened in either election.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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Never heard that one either!
(Sorry I missed this thread earlier.)

Now on Great Lakes, Great Times, Great Scott: Cotter vs. Jesus and Reagan

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Their initial Lt. Governor nominee
in 2010 wasn't so hot, either, from what I recall.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

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He also ran in 2012 as a LaRouche "Democrat"
Despite his obvious LaRouche ties, Bill Roberts managed to get 41.1% against Dr. Syed Taj in the primary.

Analysis centered on his "American-sounding" name, which just happened to be the same as the longtime Mayor of Walled Lake (a veteran Democrat, well-liked and respected but with no ambition for higher office), having an impact on typical low-information voters.

The fact that Dr. Taj had to spend precious resources beating back the primary challenge put him at a disadvantage when it came to beating Kerry Bentivolio in the general.

It also was an ominous portent that 41% of Democratic primary voters would reject an Indian-born Muslim candidate, mostly sight-unseen.

LaRouchies are a curse and a pox on our Party, and have been for more than 30 years. Even their one halfway-good idea -- a restoration of the Glass-Steagall regulations separating banks from investment brokerages -- collapses into magical thinking and fairy dust when one asks for details.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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"LaRouchies are a curse and a pox on our Party, and have been for more than 30 years."
You can say that again.  Whenever we complain that the GOP won't do anything about the crazies in their party, it means that we also have to be a good example and do something about the comparable movements in our own.  I'd be very happy to keep the LaRouchies out of power in the Democratic Party.

Greetings from Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future!

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I keep
I keep seeing this issue brought up, but I haven't seen any empiracal evidence to suggest that his name hurt him.  He did about as good as any Dem could have been expected to do in the near district.  Kerry did not blow him out.  How I see it, it's not like folks that voted for Roberts abandoned Taj after the primary.  What seems to have happened is that folks basically reset to their partisan leanings in this newly drawn district.  It seems that indies broke a bit more for Bentivolio than maybe what the lean of the district is, but that's a few points.

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A few points = the difference in a close race
You are correct that most voters chose based on Party rather than any comparative measure between Taj and Bentivolio.

But for this race, once it became an open seat, we needed the indies...and the Taj campaign lacked the resources to get them, let alone respond to the scurrilous smear campaign launched in late October.

Another thing that might have helped would have been if Taj had pursued the nomination for the other race, to complete McCotter's term. The decision he and his manager (Natalie Mosher) made to not run was driven by the need to conserve resources.

Dr. Taj might have lost anyway -- Dave Curson's margin of victory came from the communities in the old 11th, where he shared the Congressional ballot with John Dingell and John Conyers -- but we'll never know how many voters in places like Livonia, Plymouth, Canton, Northville and Novi were confused at seeing Bentivolio's name twice, with two different opponents.

"The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." ~ Harlan Ellison

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That's enough to make me volunteer for Skinner if both are in the primary
...And I don't even live in her district, although I'm only a mile and a half away from the boundary.  As for your comment that "if you live in MI-11, you get a set in the front row," I've already seen that particular freak show up close and personal.  Here's what I wrote about encountering Roberts' volunteers while volunteering for Lisa Brown on my own blog.
Nearly every parade entrant with enough members had people passing out candy to the spectators...The one exception I know of was the group of volunteers for Bill Roberts, who were right behind Lisa Brown's volunteers. Roberts is the LaRouche candidate in the Democratic primary for the 11th Congressional District. The volunteers were too busy passing out flyers saying "Impeach Obama!" and holding up signs of FDR, JFK, Jefferson, and Rosie the Riveter to hand out candy. A lot of the more mainstream Democrats didn't know what to make of them. About the only explanation I could give them boiled down to "LOL, Lyndon LaRouche." Because my passing out candy slowed me down, I ended up beside them several times and got to observe the freakshow up close. After a while, I had enough of observing them and sped up my walking to get ahead of them several times. By the end of the parade, I ended up behind them with the volunteers of a more normal Democratic candidate.

The LaRouchies are only one part of the circus that is the 11th Congressional District contest.

Looks like the circus is back in town.

Greetings from Detroit, Ground Zero of the post-industrial future!

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