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The Real Skinny on the Election

by: LiberalLucy

Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 23:37:52 PM EST


(Was a pretty interesting discussion. - promoted by lpackard)

To say this election was a bit of a doozy is an understatement. I'm glad that I was able to get the real breakdown of the numbers and what it all meant with lpackard this past Friday at the Kellogg Center at MSU for the Off the Record - On the Road 2006 Election Wrap-Up, hosted by our 'favorite' Tim Skubic.

I went to hear what the pollsters had to say, what wasn't in the papers, and what the real numbers were. I think you might be as surprised as I was.

Better yet, we got post-election thoughts from the Granholm, DeVos, Stabenow, and Bouchard campaign people. Pretty interesting. So interesting, I took notes. Not quite live-blogging, but I think you'll enjoy it.

This bit's from Ed Sarpolus with EPIC + MRA...

  • The ad that helped Governor Granholm win more women was her Abortion Ad. Even with the Right-to-Life group, women sided with Granholm because in the end, they didn't want anyone telling them what to do with their body.
  • DeVos lost most retirees after it was revealed that he believed that if you want health care, you need to get a job.
  • More Michigan voters liked President George W. Bush more than they liked Dick DeVos, and that ain't saying much.
  • Between 8 and 10% of Republicans voted for Granholm based on their feelings over Iraq.
  • More people believed that Michigan's poor economy was the fault of President Bush, not Governor Granholm's.
  • Most people did not believe Michigan is experiencing a single-state recession, contrary to what DeVos said.
  • More voters believed that out of the two candidates, Governor Granholm was the one who "was more honest and truly cares about you."
  • The Single Biggest Complaint voters had about Dick DeVos was that he was unable to define himself for the voters.
  • 51% of voters knew more of Granholm's plan (if re-elected) compared to 31% of DeVos.
  • 59% of voters believed that Governor Granholm was more charismatic, compared to 23% for DeVos.
  • 49% of voters believed that on issues of abortion, stem cell research, intelligent design, gay marriage, Granholm better reflected their personal views, as compared to 35% for DeVos.
  • 45% of voters believed that DeVos' role as President of Amway hurt his chances of winning. - Biggest single factor that he was unable to shake.
and my personal favorite - after the 1st Debate, Dick DeVos lost votes based on (in Sarpolus' words) The Wimp Factor. No explanation, she beat him senseless in that first debate.
LiberalLucy :: The Real Skinny on the Election
Then there's Steve Mitchell. Ah yes, that guy that called it right before the election 46%-44% for Granholm, which quite obviously was not the case. Not too mention that he's good friends/worked for the DeVos team (something that's addressed below).
  • Both Mitchell and Saropolus agreed that this race was most comparable to the 1966 race due to the Vietnam War in terms of negative backlash.
  • Total of 3.8 Million voters, up 600,000 from 2002.
  • DeVos actually won 100,000 more votes than Dick Posthumus did in 2002.
  • Granholm won 500,000 more votes than she did in 2002.
  • Of those who voted in the 2004 Presidential Race, Granholm took 86% of those who voted for John Kerry, and DeVos took 70% of the voters for George W. Bush.
  • Noted extremely high Democratic turn out for Granholm.
  • Granholm won two-thirds of the Independent vote.
Mitchell also credits DeVos' loss with a failure to present his biography through ads, and was not effective in answering the 'China Accusations' from the Granholm camp.
He believes that Governor Granholm ran a superb campaign, but it was more of a national campaign, with lots of backlash over the war, GOP handling of the country, etc.

Upon being questioned by a member of the audience about his integrity in polling, given his association and paid polling services by the DeVos team, Steve Mitchell responded "I'm glad you asked that question." To para-phrase him, he is proud to be very good friends with Dick Posthumus, and did polling for him that showed him down. "As a pollster, all your integrity lays in your numbers." Hmmm...famous last words?

John Truscott is Dick DeVos' man still to this day. He thinks they ran a great campaign, that the media did an excellent job reporting things (I wanted to know about the media, NOT just the Detroit News) and when asked what it was like to have a campaign where money was not issue he responded "Beyond your wildest dreams!" to which everyone laughed at. Too bad it was so true.

Chris DeWitt spoke on behalf of the Granholm campaign and it was nice to see both him and Tom Russell (campaign manager for Stabenow for Senate) thank and credit their campaign staff and workers with a job well done, including our own lpackard. I was happy to see DeWitt also mention how important the Internet was in this campaign (props given to our favorite Granholm Campaign Internet Communications Director, Clint!)  and how it's going to increasingly be a larger factor in the future of campaigning.

All-in-all, it was a fruitful evening, and even a bit of a spectator sport. I'm never ceased to be surprised how snarky Michigan politics can get. No one was out right rude, but each side knew how to get their dig in here and there, and it made for a little entertainment throughout the evening.

I was glad to see that the Democrats were the primary ones to touch on the importance of netroots activism in this campaign. I hope that they continue to see how crucial it is to invest time, money and people into this area. I have no doubt that like everything else in this state and country, the Internet is the future. Americans, particularly the 30-somethings and under, are the instant-gratification generations, they want their news and information instantly, pulled up by a couple mouse-clicks. Our party and our candidates must keep up, or get out. I just hope that our party leadership understands that now before its too late.

And now, onward to victory again in '08!

(Cross-posted on Liberal, Loud and Proud and Daily Kos)

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23 percent of voters thought DeVos was more charismatic? (4.00 / 1)
Evidently they don't understand the meaning of that worm. Or maybe they need to cut back on their consumption of Founders Breakfast Stout.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

Human remoras (4.00 / 1)
DeVos' performance in each of the debates made me think of this quote:

...Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living...

Unblinking like a shark, acting with a mind that is more automatic and reactive than discerning, probative and proactive -- that's DeVos.

That 23 percent of voters who thought that DeVos was more charismatic are the same folks who cheer the shark as it does what sharks have done for hundreds of millions of years.  They are little more than remoras.


[ Parent ]
I thought the three best ads (4.00 / 2)
the governor ran were

1) the abortion ad (I understand Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas ran a similar one and it received a similarly good response)
2) the teddy bear that was made in China
3) the "I was trained by one of the worldest best economists, my mom."

Each was a home run for the governor.

I'm sure glad she's on our side.

Thank you for this wonderful diary LL!

"The truth is rarely pure and never simple." The Importance of Being Earnest, Act I, Oscar Wilde, 1895


Agreed!! (4.00 / 3)
As a woman, and as a citizen, I couldn't be more proud to have her as our governor. Michigan is surely in good hands!

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient

[ Parent ]
YouTube (4.00 / 1)
... on the "Stand" ad- 809 views since 10/21, by far the most watched ad out of the ones I put up there. (Zack might have some stats on the others- I bet the "Twins" one from the MDP was huge)

What is really fascinating is that they are still watching all the ads to this day. I think I've had over 300 plays since election day.

10 ads- 1858 views total. I didn't start until 10/14.


[ Parent ]
My thoughts exactly. (4.00 / 1)
Those were, by far, my 3 favorite ads.  Especially the teddy bear one.  When I saw that, I went "Oh, S-NAP!"

Of course, for me, it all came down to the debates.  Granholm simply trounced DeVos in all three of them -- and that, my friends, is how it's won.  I've always supported Granholm, but the debates just energized me to the max.  There's something to be said about that for sure: Granholm's gift of gab really motivated me, as I'm sure it did many others.

-- Signature! --


[ Parent ]
Amen about the debates: (4.00 / 1)
I strongly agree with you on that point. There's nothing better than continued momentum and an intangible 'wind behind your sails' (S.S. Granholm, anyone?) heading into the final weeks of the election.

Great Lakes, Great Times.

[ Parent ]
The ad that I heard the most feedback about... (0.00 / 0)
... was the ad where Dick DeVos' face morphs into George W' Bush's face. Late teens and early twenties males (which describes a lot of my friends, I suppose) took note of that ad. It was also the topic of conversation amongst a group of females in my grandmother's circle of friends.

I was pleased to hear that it caught so many people's attention.

Great Lakes, Great Times.


[ Parent ]
If blog posts could win pulitzers... (4.00 / 3)
this would be a shoe-in!  Great work!

So honored! (4.00 / 2)
...to have this post rescued this evening on DailyKos!

You know what this means for all of us Michigan Bloggers? It means that the nation is listening, and we need to keep speaking up and urging action!

A victory doesn't mean stop working, it means celebrate for a day and then start working all over again!

I want to change the world, not help people adjust to it. - Millie Jeffrey, MI - National Women's labor and Democratic activist, Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient


Hey Lucy! (4.00 / 1)
Congratulations on making the kos diary rescue. Very cool.


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