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Levin: Let's Keep Funding the Iraq War

by: nirmal

Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 13:47:02 PM EDT


Carl Levin is a phenomenal Senator and I'm very proud that he represents us.  He had the foresight to vote against the Iraq war at a time when it was hugely unpopular to do so, and has continued to provide unparalleled leadership as the chairman of the Armed Services Committee.  In particular, Levin has played a key role in demonstrating that the intelligence showing a connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda was intentionally misleading.

No matter how proud I am, I'm not going to agree with everything that he says.  Yesterday on ABC's "This Week," Levin indicated that he would continue to fund the war in Iraq, even if the President vetoed a timetable for withdrawal.  Unfortunately, this undermines efforts to end the war responsibly.

"We're not going to vote to cut funding, period," Levin said. "But what we should do, and we're going to do, is continue to press this president to put some pressure on the Iraqi leaders to reach a political settlement."

The problem with this logic is that control over funding is one of the only ways that Congress can assert authority over the President on policy matters.  If Congress refuses to even consider cutting funding for the war, Bush will know that he can violate every benchmark and act with impunity.

"We're going to fund the troops. We always have," Levin said. He added, "We're very strong in supporting the troops, but we're also strong on putting pressure on the Iraqi leaders to live up to their own commitments without that political settlement on their part, there is no military solution."

Levin is reinforcing the idea that Congress, and not Bush, is cutting off funding for the troops.  Congress passed a bill to finally provide adequate body armor and VA care, so Bush is the one who would be harming them by exercising the veto.  By implying that Democrats are cutting funding, Levin is legitimizing Republican talking points and giving Bush all of the negotiating power.

Regardless of how this issue is going to be spun, Democrats were elected to do the right thing.  Please contact Senator Levin today and ask him to stop undermining efforts to hold Bush accountable and end the war.

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I called (4.00 / 2)
straight to Washigton, 202-224-6221, or toll free 800-459-1887 if you want to buzz through the Capitol switchboard.

It took them a long time to answer the phone, and they had to put me on hold.  Oh well, maybe they're always busy, not just today.  The receptionist was courteous but wanted me to hurry up--not easy, because the message in this case is complicated.

I told them I'm from Michigan, and that I want Senator Levin to stand with Harry Reid and the Senate democratic caucus by keeping the troop pullout deadline in the funding bill.  I also them to tell the Senator not to do or say anything that would undermine the unified message the democrats are sending President Bush that the American people want the war to end.

Aside to Left of Liberal in another thread:  driving by a state democratic site and calling our senator (who generally does an excellent job) a "neocon" is not a good way to win friends and influence people.


that's what happened to me (0.00 / 0)
Like you said, courteous but seemed to want me to hang up.  I said my piece and they basically said "okay, thanks for calling."

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I sent him an e-mail... (0.00 / 0)
Quoted his statement and told him he was wrong on this just like he was wrong to not support Lamont.  Told him he needed to stop funding the war and start funding withdrawal. Told him he needed to quit undermining Senators Feingold and Reid. 

I really don't think he'll pay any attention to us.  He may be a smart and well intentioned man, but maybe he has lost touch with the fact that he has a constituency which is he suppose to represent.  He may have been in office so long now that he no longer has a clue that he works for us. Yes, he is a good man; but explain to me who Stabenow and Levin are listening to cause it sure as hell isn't us.  Do they come to your blogger events?  Has anybody here attempted or been able to get them to come explain what they are doing?


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I emailed him... (4.00 / 2)
I told him that I hope he continues to keep withdrawl deadlines in the supplemental bills should Bush veto the next one.

I don't want Congress to cut off funding simply because Bush is a sick enough fuck to leave the troops stranded in Iraq just to play chicken to get the funding.


Levin is out of touch with Michigan voters (0.00 / 0)
I have played the contact your Senator game many times with Senator Levin since the Democrats took over the Senate in January. The response from him is always evasive and sometimes does not even directly address the war. It's time to call it as it is with Levin. He is trying to make the Bush war in Iraq a Democratic war.

I watched him do his dance with Warner of Virginia only to see Warner derail his own comprimise with Levin. And now, when Reid and Feingold have a tough resolution to both fund the troops and end the war Levin punches them in the gut. 

Levin has been slipping out of his liberal clothes and into a neocon suit for quite a while. A commentor in another thread correctly remembers that Levin supported Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont. What kind of Democrat does that?

I have been reading this site for a month now. And quite rightly Michigan's budget woes have been the lead story. And in my opinion the reporting has been very good. But can someone please explain to me how the states can solve their budget problems while this neocon war rages. What Levin doesn't understand (or maybe he just doesn't care) is that the money is needed here. 

Carl Levin was elected Senator to Michigan. But while Michigan burns Levin fiddles in the middle east. The time to end this war is now. That's why voters gave the democrats majorities in both houses of congress. If Senator Levin has his way the bush/neocon war in Iraq will be considered the Democrats war in 2008.


Oh, wow! (0.00 / 0)
I have been reading this site for a month now. And quite rightly Michigan's budget woes have been the lead story. And in my opinion the reporting has been very good. But can someone please explain to me how the states can solve their budget problems while this neocon war rages. What Levin doesn't understand (or maybe he just doesn't care) is that the money is needed here. 

I made this same point in a diary on dkos today.  I don't see Levin or Stabenow doing anything for Michigan.  Maybe the country, maybe the planet, but not Michigan.  Michigan is bankrupt, and Debbie votes for the bankruptcy bill.  Michigan has been unemployed for 6 years and can't pay for State services, and Levin wants to fund the war and help to rebuild Iraq. 

The same is true for the national Democratic Party.  Did you see them invest a dime in Michigan in 06?  If they had, Skinner, Trupiano and the fellow in Lake Orion would be in the House right now.  And never forget that it was Clinton and the DLC that gave us NAFTA and fast track. 

I think it is time that Michigan's Democrats started to deliver.  Stabenow and Levin have been in DC forever.  The Gov. is in her second term and has a Democratic House.  Yet, Bishop ties them both up in knots; and Levin & Stabenow fund the war in Iraq, e coli spinach farmers, and the bridge to nowhere.


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you bet I live in Michigan (0.00 / 0)
And I cringe every time I see the carnage the economy doing to working class people here. Sure would be nice to see that money going into a black hole in Iraq diverted here.

And BTW, All Senators listen to out of state voters, especially if they are big corporate contributors.



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Your homework assignment (4.00 / 2)
Take a look at our Michigan homegrown Media Mouse for a summary of Senator Levin's approach to the Iraq war since 2003.

He's been more timid than the blogosphere would like, but he's been out in front of the mushy middle that thought the war was just ducky until it started going badly for us.  In particular, I thought his additions to the Iraq Study Group report (which was Junior's chance to save face) were spot on and politically astute (he was still dealing with a republican majority in Congress at the time).

You might also take a look at the text of Levin's speech in support of the Cochran Amendment to the first Senate bill on March 27, 2007, which called for redeployment with 120 days.  That bill failed, but not because of Levin.

That is why we need to retain the language providing for the commencement of the reduction of U.S. forces in Iraq within 120 days after enactment of this Act. That reduction is the action-forcing mechanism - the sign to the Iraqis that we can't save them from themselves and that their future is in their hands, not ours.

Levin hasn't been as bold as I would like, but to call him a  "neocon" is so out of touch with reality that it completely destroys any other credibility the commenter's words might have.  I also gather that LOL isn't even from Michigan. I don't call senators from other states unless I'm addressing their committee work, or other leadership status (such as Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader).  Hello-o-o?  They're not supposed to listen to people from out of state.

More heat than light--nothing much changes in the blogosphere.


i want to make it clear (4.00 / 2)
although i'm not happy about what he's been doing and saying recently, he has been phenomenal on this issue long before it was "cool" to do so.

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oops (0.00 / 0)
that last reply of mine was attached to the wrong post. It should have been attached to "Your homework assignment" by earth651. sorry for the confusion.

Fair enough (4.00 / 1)
I got the Cochran Amendment wrong--the amendment was a bad thing, and Levin opposed it.

But what's your take on Levin's opposition to this amendment?  I can understand the uber-left saying that we're getting more words than action on Iraq from the democrats, but for four years we haven't even been getting words--because the American public wasn't ready to hear them until now.  Levin has actually taken risks by criticizing the war when the press and the public still had war fever.

And if Pelosi and Reid had listened to the uber-left, we would never have gotten the supplemental appropriations bill with the deadline in the first place--you guys almost convinced the progressive caucus to vote against it because you thought it didn't go far enough.  Then when the press started calling it a victory for the dems, it was like, "oh, um, I guess it wasn't such a horrible idea after all."


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how about some checks and balances (0.00 / 0)
I can't say I know what the cochran amendment is.

But I'm perplexed why you call people who want an end to the war uber left. Is Chuck Hagel uber-left? Is Walter Jones Uber-left. What about John Murtha! Listen to Murtha? and he will  tell you there is no military victory in Iraq. Many of the original supporters of the war have turned against it. Plain and simple: some 12 soldiers died sunday in Iraq. The war is bankrupting the country.

Whatever Carl Levin did in the past is really not relavent. I do understand he voted against the war authorization - although he knew it would pass anyway. But now he is putting a huge roadblock in the way of ending the war just as the democrats have gained a majority of both houses of congress. That is unconscionable.

Where are the checks and balances we thought the Democrats would bring to the government.

In regards to the appropriations bill: It was a disgrace. They even refused to make bush get congressional approval to attack Iran. So, I guess there will be no checks and balances in this congress. And the buying of votes with pork was less than pretty.

BTW the wingers at Redsate are in Levin's corner:

http://www.redstate....

That should be raising some red flags amongst Levin supporters.



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I was (0.00 / 0)
looking at your user name.

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Yeah, what is with that? (0.00 / 0)
What is left of liberal?  Are you a commie, lol?

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I sent him an email and letter (4.00 / 1)
A week or two ago, arguing that if we can't get a deadline, what we should do is force a revote every week (or every two weeks), to force continual debates by the Repubs.  I do understand that withdrawing funding is not necassarily the best idea.  But to simple give in without forcing something is bad as well.  As I said, thats why I argued for doing very short supplements (once a month, or even better once a week). 

That's why they call it a quagmire (0.00 / 0)
I've been opposed to the war since before it was the war (I opposed it starting in August 2002 ... retroactively to the day after Sept. 11 when Rummy said it was time to go after Saddam).

That said, I don't know that pulling funding for the war is the way to go.  Frankly, I have no idea what the best course of action is.

I will tell you this.  Now that we're in the middle of this collossal mess, we need to extricate ourselves very carefully and very deliberately.  Carl Levin never supported this war, but I think he's right in pursuing the course he's on, which is that if we're in the middle of something we shouldn't be in the middle of that we need to get out of it in a way that at least encourages some kind of positive outcome.  I remember once seeing him, in the background during a CNN reporter's broadcast, sternly addressing equipment issues with someone.  So, it's possible to oppose something, but when the rubber meets the road, to seek out some kind of positive outcome.

We broke it, we bought it.  Leaving Iraq without doing our damndest to end the civil war that we're responsible for unleashing is not in our best interests.

I don't think we do that with a massive showdown by cutting funding and forcing a rapid, immediate withdrawal.  I see lots of pragmatism to Levin's opposition to this.  What I don't see is neo-con thinking, which is that we need to make Israel safer by invading the Middle East and turning each authoritarian state into a blooming little democracy.

A quick note ... before and during the invasion, I wrote frequently about my opposition to it.  That included that period of time when it was fashionable to say, "Well, you've had your say, but now that bullets are flying your dissent is putting our soldiers in greater danger ... so it's time for you to shut up."

We all know this kind of thing is highly improper and unAmerican, because patriotism isn't measured by how much you get on your knees to support the president.

The reverse is also true.  It's reasonable to oppose the war without believing that cutting off money and a precipitous withdrawal are good ideas.  So, you (whoever is guilty), are courteously invited take this demand for groupthink and cram it with walnuts.

I also don't care what the polls say.  Sound thinking isn't subject to popular vote.

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