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If you don't want to be called racist...

by: Eric B.

Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 15:44:56 PM EDT


( - promoted by Eric B.)

If you don't want to be called a racist (and no one has actually done that), Nick, then don't engage in race baiting.

It's very simple. Barack Obama and Kwame Kilpatrick don't have a meaningful relationship. People who understand their relationship describe it as chilly. So, when you throw videos up on the Internet that suggest otherwise, you're relying on something other than evidence to support your charge. In this particular instance, it's either that the two men happen to be Democrats, or that the two men happen to be African Americans.

Because the two have no common ground as Democrats -- one is a senator from Illinois, one is the mayor of Detroit -- the only substantial link left is that of race. People who are bonafide racists will link the two in their minds under racist assumptions. When you play to that, whether purposefully or unwittingly, you are engaging in race baiting. When you do things like post photos of two men who barely know each other side-by-side and imply a deep relationship as such, you are continuing to engage in race baiting.  You could stop playing on people's racist assumptions by no longer implying that a relationship that doesn't exist does.

One final note:  I do a lot of things.  Stringing for the Midland newspaper is the least among them. Because I generally like to see people succeed, if the shoe were on the other foot, and you landed work with a regular media outlet, then I'd offer my congratulations ... not try to get you fired.

Eric B. :: If you don't want to be called racist...
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Chilly indeed (4.00 / 5)
Y'all might want to note that Kwame never endorsed Obama during the primary and was, so I hear, at various times, leaning or even 99%-committed to HRC or JRE.  And I heard all this back in the spring and summer of 2007 which I believe is pre the txt scndl.

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The shoe fits very well (4.00 / 1)
That guy is a piece of work. The guy is a coward. I can't think of a better word to describe him. He can't handle anyone who doesn't hold his view commenting on that blog, so he bars them. He is a racist, plain and simple.

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For some, it is intentional. (4.00 / 3)
For many on the right, the desire to link the two is based on race (and they've even admitted it when I confronted them on it).  Nick may or may not be intending to put the idea in people's minds, but many will see the connection regardless.

The right has made the false idea that Obama is a militant black man who hates white people a central part of their campaign.  It's why the Muslim rumors continue to be brought up despite the numerous occassions on which it's been debunked.  It's why the Rev. Wright scandal had legs, despite the right wing preachers saying hateful and bigoted things for years.  It's all done to scare white voters and create racial division.

So you'd have to either be really dumb or crazy ignorant to think that some voters aren't going to see a racial connection between Kwame and Obama.

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.


I find it surprising... (4.00 / 1)
and apalling how discussions in this forum become personal.

This is the second time in recent months when a contibutor was labeled a racist because they disagreed with someone else who couldn't put forth a convincing argument to the contrary.  

That is an easy way to dismiss somebody else's position or idea.  It is the same as Limbaugh dismissing something because it is 'leftist', 'liberal' or 'democrat'.  

If Michigan Liberal is going to become a site where personal rancor and vindictiveness is going to take the place of discussion, please let us know so we can go avoid it----or go to Savage Nation where we know that is what we will get.

As for the relationship, or lack thereof, between the Mayor and the Senator:  both are Black,  both are Democrats, and  they are being compared for both reasons. Like it or not. If the Mayor was not facing 10 felony counts and the if the City of Detroit was cruising toward prosperity, the comparisons would be good.  But he is and it isn't.

For what it is worth, the Mayor and the former Governor of New York and the former President of the USA are being compared.  Not only because they are Democrats, but because of their sexual (mis)adventures.  That is not racism.  Maybe it is Democratism?  Maybe it's arrogantism?

It is election season.  All the stops are being pulled, anything and everything that may make a difference will become a weapon.  


Wow... (4.00 / 1)
It's not a contributor is being accused of racism, but someone who runs a different blog.  And, he wasn't actually accused of racism, but of race baiting.

The reason he was accused of race baiting is because his argument -- that a presidential candidate is somehow tarred by the sins of Detroit's mayor -- has no merit. The two don't like each other much, and the strength of his argument is that they are connected because they know each other. Because the two have no personal relationship, creating one out of thin air requires a profound suspension of disbelief. It also requires that you find a different foundation, like that both are Democrats or that both are African Americans. The first of those is just simply false.  The second, because it plays to an underlying bigotry, is race baiting.  I couldn't lay the path any more clear or any more dispassionately than that.  If he doesn't want to be accused of race baiting, then he can stop pretending that a relationship exists where it doesn't except when viewed through the prism of race.

I realize this is a political campaign and that both sides are resorting to straining the truth to smear their opponents.  I don't care.  People who wish to offer comment on the political process are always invited to think through what they have to say, to make sure that it's logically defensible and doesn't stoop to lower standards of public discourse.  In this case, the person in question didn't, and to defend himself is attempting to create problems in my personal and professional life.

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Overly partisan, not racist (4.00 / 5)
I don't believe Nick was purposefully engaging in race baiting.  It appears he was unwittingly engaging in race baiting.  The distinction, which Eric recognizes, is important.  But just because Nick wasn't deliberately engaging in race baiting, doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it.  Nick's fault isn't in being a racist, it's in being so overly partisan that he didn't even recognize that to many people his linking Obama to Kilpatrick appears to be race baiting.

Looking over the recent articles and comments on Right Michigan, one thing is obvious.  Michigan conservatives and Michigan Republicans have almost nothing to say, good or bad, about John McCain's agenda for America.  The focus on Right Michigan seems to be RMGN, Kilpatrick, RMGN, Obama, RMGN, dissing Grahholm, RMGN, overstating ties between Kilpatrick and any other Democrat, RMGN.  But there's very little about McCain other than how he might pick a pro-choice VP.  It's rather odd, considering that he's the top Republican candidate this year.  I'd expect someone like Nick to beat up on Obama, especially on his proposed policies.  But if it's not balanced out with how John McCain offers a much better choice for America, I think we can pretty much guess the end result.  Liberals talking about Obama and conservatives talking about Obama, means Obama becomes the next President.

COMMENT CROSS POSTED AT RIGHTMICHIGAN.COM


Maybe you should take over MichLib... (4.00 / 2)
...'cause I couldn't have said it any better, my own self.

Among the Trees

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My God! (4.00 / 1)
My first "4" from Eric and even one from Stormy in the same morning!  After having buddied up with Nazgul and Phil last week in the Ossetia discussion, I almost feel like I'm part of the clique.  Any t-shirts left?

Seriously though, thanks.  One of the nice things about not running MichLib is that one can disappear for days and also ignore the personal feuds here.  I don't know how you don't get tired of it after all this time.


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Liquor helps ... lots and lots of liquor (4.00 / 1)
The first step, I think, is always remembering that this is a blog ... not real life.  The difference is big.  For instance, say that I were to write here that I plan to burn down your house.  You might get miffed and upset that I was threatening your home on the Internet.  You'd get a great deal more miffed and upset if I actually did it*.

The distinction is important, especially when you consider the other things that press for my time daily.  Plus, I very seriously subscribe to the notion that if you get offended by stuff you read on the Internet that it's your own fault.

*--Not to be interpreted as actual threatened course of action.

Among the Trees


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Right Michigan (4.00 / 2)
Wow, first time I looked at that page - in short what a bunch of bozos.  His attempts at making a connection between Kwame and Obama are really laughable, I especially enjoyed the FR stuff (yes I'm sure Kwame "hosted" FRs in Chicago for a state senate campaign - that makes sense...)

Two questions after watching some of the You Tube vids on the side panel:

1- Who do we have running against Chuck Moss? That's a pretty competitive district to have a wingnut like that in it.

2- Who is this "Julia on the web?" I have not encountered fewer more vacant and simple minds in my life.  She almost makes some of them seem smart.



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