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I made a right-wing talk show host admit he wants to see Christians killed.

by: djtyg

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 00:54:05 AM EDT


(Nice work, DJ. From the diaries - promoted by matt)

If there was some chance that any of you listen to 103.5 FM in the early afternoon, I was that ticked off Iraq vet that called Bob Dutko at the end of the show.

Warning: Long post
djtyg :: I made a right-wing talk show host admit he wants to see Christians killed.
For those of you who don't know, Bob Dutko is a man who does a talk radio show on 103.5 FM WMUZ in Detroit.  103.5 is also Detroit's biggest Christian radio station.

Bob Dutko is like Rush Limbaugh except he likes to use Jesus to justify his conservative worldview.  In his bio he admits that he was once a high ranking member of the right wing think tank The Christian Coalition.  If you listen to his station (as many Christians do), you'll hear him talk for hours about how all Democrats and liberals are nothing but a bunch of God-hating-baby-killers, and that Republicans and conservatives are all pious, God fearing, humble men who live for Jesus.

His slogan is "Fearlessly Defending The Faith".  It should be "Fearlessly Exploiting Jesus For The GOP."

Anyway, I was listening to his show when the subject of Iraq came up.  A pastor recently wrote an article that appeared in USA Today that said that Jesus would be doing things differently in Iraq than we are now.  That should be obvious to most people, but not a right-winged psuedo-Christian like Bob.  He made it a point to call the piece liberal and unbiblical.  Then he said the magic words:

"I'm going to take your calls."

Now you'll have to forgive me guys, I've searched high and low in the hopes that Bob had a transcript, or better yet, a recording of the show.  I haven't found it, so I'm going by memory.

Of couse I'm sure a man with Bob's ego will find this blog post and feel the need to address it.  If you do, Bob, feel free to comment with the transcript, or at least a link to the last 1/2 hour of your show on Wednesday.  Thanks!

(Also, Bob.  You have the ability to defend yourself in the comments.  If you feel the need to bash me on your show, show a jaded soldier some respect and let me defend myself on your show).

It started out with Bob introducing me as DJ from Waterford.  I was nervous at first because I was on the radio and about to rip the man a new one on his show.  He told the audience that I was in OIF and I'm very much against the war.  He asked me why.

I told him: "Let me start off by saying that I'm not a pacifist.  I believe very strongly that we should kill or capture bin Laden and those responsible for 9/11.  But I'm against the Iraq war because all of the reasons for the war turned out to be false.  Bin Laden is not in Iraq, and there was no 9/11 connection to Iraq as Bush told us, and there were no WMDs.  And if you read The Downing Street Memo, you can confirm that."

Right then Bob cut me off.  It was the first time, and wouldn't be the last.

Bob: Let me stop you right there, DJ.  First of all, I've read the Downing Street Memo, and what it doesn't say that they made up WMDs.  And second of all, are you going to put your faith and trust-

Me: I put my faith and trust in Jesus, Bob.

(BTW-Bob is a master of linguistics.  He knows that by using the expression "faith and trust" he's invoking Christian trance words to make his audience agreeable)

Bob: Well, I'm not talking about ultimate faith and trust.  I'm saying would you rather put your faith and trust in a memo, or would you put your faith and trust in your Government's intelligence, since it was the Government's intelligence that said Iraq had WMDs.  Even Clinton's intelligence said the same thing."

(When all else fails, blame Clinton.  But I wasn't falling for it).

Me: Bob, I put my faith and trust in Jesus, and he calls us to search for the truth.  And the truth is that in The Downing Street Memo, Bush was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq, and picked WMDs as what he considered to be most viable option.  And my other reason for hating this war is that there are over 200,000 Christians in Iraq.  And if you or anybody else listening to this show wants to look it up on the internet, the Christians there are now suffereing persecution that they did not experience before we invaded.  And it's because of that that I feel guilt for being-

(I don't think Bob liked his viewers hearing that OIF is causing Christians to be persecuted.  This would be the second time he cut me off).

Bob: Whoa, DJ!  We're talking about WMDs here, and you're going off on a different topic.

Me: Well Bob, you wanted to hear my reasons and I'm giving them to you.  I'm going down the list.

Bob: DJ, I don't want to have to cut your line, but you can't just keep cutting me off like that.  We have to be polite here.  I'll say my piece and then you can say what you want.

(To be honest, I was surprised he hadn't hung up on me at that point.  Still, I agreed to listen).

Bob then began talking about Clinton and the bombing of Iraq.  He then asked if they were also wrong in their intelligence.  If I wasn't talking about 100 mph in the hopes of getting my point across before being cut off, I could have had a reasonable discussion about it.  But I didn't want to get off topic.

Me: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OPERATION DESERT FOX, BOB!  I'M TALKING ABOUT OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM!

(Bob cut me off again)

Bob:  Well would you say that CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRATS lied about WMD?

Me:  You're trying to get me to bash Democrats, Bob, and I'm not going to do that.

Bob: I'm not trying to-

Me: But since you want to get on the subject, Bob, why don't you tell people who you're real god is?

Bob:  What?

(I've been wanting to say this to Bob for three years now).

Me:  You're a member of the Christian Coalition, which is nothing more than a right-wing think tank that tries to get Republicans in office.  You're god is the Republican party!  You prove it by spending 2 hours of your show proping up the Republican party and trying to make Democrats-

Bob: Well you really need to listen to the other hour and a half.

(Let me get this straight-2 hours propping up Republicans, 90 minutes talking about God.  Who is being made a priority?  You do the math).

Me: And I'll say again, Bob.  There's over 200,000 Christians in Iraq right now that are being persecuted for their beliefs, and it started going on after we invaded Iraq.  Now can you honestly tell me that knowing that, you would still say it was a good idea that we invade Iraq knowing that it would result in the deaths of thousands of Christians?

Bob:  Yes, I would.

(I was floored, but was speaking so fast I probably didn't show it).

Me: You want to see Christians die, Bob?

Bob: DJ, if you cut me off again, I'm going to have to cut you from the line.

Me: YOU'VE BEEN CUTTING ME OFF ALL DAY, BOB!

Bob: Okay, cut him.

It was then I hung up.

I don't know what he said after that, as I wasn't near a radio.  By the time I got back to my car I heard a commercial.  I'm guessing he took a break.

After the break he took one more call and he stunned me.  After all that talk, he had the nerve to tell the caller (also a right winger):

"Some people just don't have the stomach for this war.  But we have to keep fighting and beat the terrorists."

So after all that talk, not only does he keep lying, he makes the point that:

Liberal Iraq vet who opposes the war: Coward

Conservative talk show host who sits on his butt in a Detroit radio station: Man with courage

Thanks, Bob.

But, my fellow MLers, as angry as I was, I will be the first to admit that calling a right-wing radio show and kicking the crap out of them in a debate is lots of fun and I recommend it for everybody.  I'm sure I'll be calling his show again.
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If you want to see a good article about Bob (4.00 / 2)
you can read it here:

http://www.sfweekly....

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.

Correction on what you said (4.00 / 1)
Djtyg,
That was excellent.  I wanted to corrected something you said to that jerk.  You said there are 200,000 Christians in Iraq.  There are actually 800,000 - 1,000,000 Christians in Iraq.
[ Parent ]
... (4.00 / 1)
Wow, this is really good.  I had no idea how horrifying some of these programs are.

Check out my mediocre blog.
Thanks. (4.00 / 1)
Yeah, it's really bad.  I'm surprised that people haven't gone after this guy sooner.

Most of the bloggers here know that I don't have a tendency to wear my faith on my sleeve, but nothing makes me angrier than watching Jesus being exploited for a political agenda.

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.

[ Parent ]
Amen! (n/t) (4.00 / 1)


"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never." - Winston S. Churchill
[ Parent ]
Roger that... (0.00 / 0)
Being a soldier, believing in peace, being progressive, being a multinational ops supporter, wanting to see UBL in the brigg, saluting the flag, supporting troops in the field, having faith, upholding the seperation of church and state... not mutually exclusive.

Might give him a some RBF, sounds like the idiot "needs" calls.

[ Parent ]
Well if you really want to call. (0.00 / 0)
Friday is the best day for that.  He does "Free for all" Fridays, in which callers are allowed to call up and talk about whatever they want.

Ask him why he thinks being a conservative pundit makes him braver than an Iraqi war vet.

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.

[ Parent ]
Good job (0.00 / 0)
I've heard his show a couple of times.  The first time I heard it, I thought it was a joke. I couldn't believe anybody on FM radio could be this radical. 

What's so transparent about him is that he tries coming across as this calm, logical nice guy, when it's so obvious he is nothing more then the typical mean-spirited, angry Republican. 

Good for you.  You sound like you need your own radio program! 

[ Parent ]
I applaud all of you (0.00 / 0)
... that go into hostile territory. Mighty brave.

Good job DJ!

Ugh... (0.00 / 0)
I used to listen to WMUZ quite a bit.  In fact, I listened to 88.1 in East Lansing, too.  I liked quite a few of the songs, and felt comforted by them.

Thing is, though, something's changed in the past few years.  The stations have gotten more and more political, and more in the sense of "God is a Republican."  So I haven't listened to them in quite awhile.

Is there a place on the radio for believing without championing a political view?  I mean, it's a Christian radio station, so I think some preaching is to be expected, perhaps even encouraged.  Still, since it's going out to Christians both left and right wing, I don't like the idea of promoting one over the other.

You did a great job (0.00 / 0)
Its very unusual that talk show hosts of the radical right wing let their callers say more than one line before yelling at them and cutting them off and then distorting the comments of the caller.

You got farther than most and made great unrefutable points.

Good Job

Bob Dutko (0.00 / 0)
Dutko, the poster child of the far, far right wing, is an excellent person to point to when conservatives insist that theirs -- the "family values" route is the only way to go. Bob sees everyting in black and white and said Hitler would have gone to heaven had he, in the last days of his life, accepted Jesus as his savior.

Women, spiritually inferior of men, must should never serve as head pastor.

He says the scientific community is all wrong in believing the earth is older than 10,000 years. Bob, you see, never spent one hour -- not one -- in a college classroom, but he knows the scientists are wrong and he is right. 

 

re (0.00 / 0)
If Hitler repented for his wrong doings and accepted Jesus as his savior, he 100% can go to heaven.

That is loving grace of Jesus. No matter how much you screwed up, you can repent and be forgiven.

As far as women being the head pastor, is bigger debate. What does the scripture say?
1 Timothy 2:11-12
1 Corth. 14:34-35

Clearly, some people just have roles by biological birth. As a male, I can never be a mom. I will never know the joys and pains of being pregnant. It simply just cannot happen.

So, is the same true for a woman and being in charge of a church?

I can tell you that Jesus spoke to women, when the culture frowned upon it.  I think the honest thing to do is look at scripture, and argue your points.

And as a scientist myself, let me tell you. I can make data and hypothesis for whatever my grant wants. Money talks. Science is lead by cash.  

[ Parent ]
re (0.00 / 0)
If Hitler repented for his wrong doings and accepted Jesus as his savior, he 100% can go to heaven.

That is loving grace of Jesus. No matter how much you screwed up, you can repent and be forgiven.

As far as women being the head pastor, is bigger debate. What does the scripture say?
1 Timothy 2:11-12
1 Corth. 14:34-35

Clearly, some people just have roles by biological birth. As a male, I can never be a mom. I will never know the joys and pains of being pregnant. It simply just cannot happen.

So, is the same true for a woman and being in charge of a church?

I can tell you that Jesus spoke to women, when the culture frowned upon it.  I think the honest thing to do is look at scripture, and argue your points.

And as a scientist myself, let me tell you. I can make data and hypothesis for whatever my grant wants. Money talks. Science is lead by cash.  

[ Parent ]
Blog about Bob (0.00 / 0)
DJ (and others),

I've started a blog dedicated to everyone's favorite right-wing talk show host, Bob Dutko.  I welcome any constructive criticism.

BOB DUTKO (0.00 / 0)
djtyg

Thanks for your article exposing this conman for what he really is; a GOP shill who like so many of his brethren have hijacked Jesus' name to advance further their lust for greed.

Bob Dutko enrages me when I listen to his show; what a dishonest, despicable man!  He will almost always have guests on who share his narrow views, preaching to the choir, blind leading the blind so to speak.  On the rare occasion he has someone on with differing views, they are carefully chosen and thus are rarely competent enough to effectively debate him as he quotes 'fact' after 'fact' and belittles them for not being 'intellectually honest'. 

'Intellectually honest'!  This coming from a man who once said on his show that 'if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour, then you are going to hell' (and then added) 'and that's a FACT'.  Fine, if that is one's belief.  Although I consider it sick, it is a belief and not a fact, and to state otherwise is indeed incredibly 'intellectually dishonest'.

I guess that really shows you what his definition of a 'FACT' is.  Well, at least that's good news for the other 5 billion plus human beings on the face of the earth who are not Christians. 

There is no reasoning with these types; they are sick as they have been brainwashed into utter narrowmindeddness and intolerance with hate being their leitmotif.

Let's expose him and his like for what they really are; CHRISTIAN FASCISTS.

Petebaie
Windsor, Ontario

re (0.00 / 0)
'if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour, then you are going to hell' (and then added) 'and that's a FACT'.

What pisses you off more? The belief that if you do not believe Jesus as your personal savior you are going to hell, or the point he is stating this as fact.

I think we all agree no one is perfect. Therefore, none of us are really worthy of heaven. But Jesus died for everyones sins, so it is possible we can go to heaven. This is Christianity 101. Likewise, it is understandable that if you do not believe in Jesus, you would therefore be going to hell.

So yeah, using this logic, we could argue everyone else on Earth is going to hell, and only a select few make it to heaven.

And lets not pretend Christians are the only ones that have this elite view. The Hindus have to be born of the right caste system.

Now, I would suggest there could be a backdoor. If there is a limbo between Earth and heaven, is it possible that you can accept Jesus there?  

Or are you angry he states this as fact. What is a fact? Something you need empirical data? Something you can repeat? Is there a difference between true knowledge and fact?

I can tell you my favorite color is blue. Is that fact or opinion?

In my opinion, when Bob says  "that is a Fact", he is stating that according to the teaching of the Holy Gospels , one must accept Jesus as his personal savior to go into heaven.  I do not think it is as opinion. The Gospel is in black and white. It is a fact this is what is taught.

Bob is simply reminding other Christians, that this is the belief. Often Christians forget this is in the teachings of the Holy Scripture.  And since Jews and Muslims do not have this belief, they cannot enter heaven (unless they lived perfectly).

[ Parent ]
wow (0.00 / 0)
you really don't like him or people like him. i feel a lot of hate when i read these comments, and i understand your concern. i'm not here to defend dutko, i don't know the guy. i do enjoy most of his shows but i guess i might be coming from a different place.  i'm nobody special just a 23 yr old from royal oak, but i know that when two people get into an argument, no matter who's right, when their prides take over no one wins.
  trust me friend you and i have something in common - too much pride. we as a race seek to glorify ourselves instead of our forgiving creator who not only gave us a chance to experience His presence, but gave us a no-fail way to get in His presence even after we all turned away from Him, Jesus. this gift is ours if only we can drop our pride and accept the truth.
  i can see many comments posted after this bashing me and calling me names - i've had worse done. but i remind you that i am not seeking mans approval but Gods, so haters say what you will. stay up all night studying my words to prove my stupidity in the best way. catch my "faulty logic." i have a different mission here than to gain your approval.

to the one man or woman listening that might stop and think that maybe man's problem is ourselves. look to God for your wisdom, it definately is a different brand, your eyes may be opened to things you've never seen before. ask God for help and he will answer your prayer. and forget about dutko and what he might be doing right or wrong. the guy is human so if he is a real christian he will admit he is not perfect. if you can do the same ask Jesus to forgive you and spend eternity in paradise with Him

steveao

Steveao.... (0.00 / 0)
I am born again.  If you read my previous diaries, you would've known that.  I grew up in churches with pastors like Bob Dutko who cares more about getting votes for the GOP than they do the Word of God.

Why should I not care about Bob?  Does the Bible say to do nothing in the face of evil and the exploitation of God?  Jesus lived the life that was the exact opposite of that.

If you really do believe that, maybe you should tell Bob to quit bashing liberals on his show and calling them anti-God (something this liberal definetely ISN'T, btw).  Tell him to stop hating on people because he doesn't agree with them.

As for me, I won't stay silent on him, or anyone else who exploits religion for political ends.  They are wolves in sheep clothing.

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.

[ Parent ]
BTW- (0.00 / 0)
I wrote this diary ages ago.  How did you find it?

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.
[ Parent ]
sweet! (0.00 / 0)
i'm glad to hear you are a brother. i will take any opportunity to witness. i found the link searching for something online. it just got my attention. yeah dutko does have his faults. i have many too. God bless you all. you too djtyg. peace
It's worse than that, Steve.... (0.00 / 0)
Bob doesn't care at all about the Christian faith.  He's part of a large group of psuedo-Christian leaders that have been using our faith as a way to get conservative policies enacted by crooked politicians.  Why do you think he tells you that Republicans are the only people worth voting for, despite the fact that their leadership constantly puts the rich ahead of the poor?

It's not that Bob has sins.  It's that he is intentionally deceiving Christians for nothing more than the purpose of obtaining political power.  Along with the likes of Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson, he is a cog in a machine that is lying to good Christians by creating a persecution complex (I've written on this extensively).  Bob is no better than the Pharisees who used religion during the time of Jesus for political gain and financial wealth.

I'd encourage you to pick up the book Democracy Matters by Cornel West.  West is a Christian who helped open up my eyes to the lies of the religious right.  There are other good books on the subject, written by Christians who are tired of the revisionist gospel created by conservatives.

Putting conservatives in charge of our government makes about as much sense as GM hiring a CEO who hates cars.

[ Parent ]
Bob Dutko has been entertaining his audience longer than Krusty the Clown! (0.00 / 0)
why listen to the Duke?!
I'll tell you why... I get more laughs out of this guy than any other "shock jock" on the radio.  Have you heard his theory about aliens?  They exist, but they are demons trying to get you to believe in evolution.  "Jesus said He died for our sins alone.  If there is life on other planets Jesus would have to die for their sins too....Is Jesus a liar?" My wife and I have infiltrated a few of his guest appearances. Free entertainment, but the scary thing is that most of the people who call in agree with this jack ass.
re (0.00 / 0)
DJ,
I just read your post and I think you are totally off the mark.  In your introduction of Bob, I think you have foggy glasses on. Bob is a true patriot fighting for the truth.

The reason why you got cut off is because you jumped topics left and right, and could not focus on your points. As a listener, it is hard to have one caller be all over the place. If your major point was to say Jesus would be doing it differently, you should have focused on that. Everyone would have liked to hear how a veteran saw places to change and act as Jesus. Is there a chance for us to spread the word of God? How should we be doing things differently that would highlight our acts and bring good works.

But instead your call went to attack why are we in Iraq and blame solely Bush. This is a major problem with liberals. They want to blame over 30 years of bad foreign policy on one guy. Try and remember, 911 happened before we went in Iraq.

I am sure you would admit that we live in a dangerous world. Saddam attacked Kuwait in the 90s. We had resolutions to check for WMDs in place to keep Iraq in check. Multiple resolutions were broken. What good is a resolution if they are not kept and enforced? The fact is even Saddam's generals thought he had WMDs. Every neighboring country thought he had it. And in his defense, having the big guns usually keeps enemies at bay.

Bob was rightfully stating that the Iraq war was not solely owned by Bush. It has been decades of poor foreign policy. It has been several administrations leading up to it. Bush just pulled the trigger.

Once he owned you, you jump topics and tell him who his god is. I found this rude and inconsiderate. You have a man promoting Jesus, and you want to redefine his faith. This is a whole new topic, and should be a separate call, Does Bob have a (secret) agenda? You debated this poorly by throwing out your talking points, and it made you look hostile and ignorant.

Lastly, you want to state you are against the war because Christians have died. And in your logic, any war that kills one christian is not justified - but you are not a pacifist, right. Bob has always been consistent in supporting the war in Iraq fighting against terrorists. Unfortunately, the cost of freedom is not free... the cost is usually blood.  When Abe Lincoln decided to enter the a Civil War, he knew all the bloodshed was worth the freedom of all men.

I am so dumbfounded by your remark, I have to ask, Do you think terrorists want to destroy America? and Do you think those same terrorist went to Iraq (after 6 months into the war) to kill our soldiers? If so, how do you turn your back on your fellow soldiers? I would not call you a coward, but I think you are growing anger to the GOP and it is clouding your judgment.

Personally I enjoy when a liberal calls in and gets his point of view in. It is nice to see different points of views. But you cant have 5 long debates shoved in 2 minutes.

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